Young Master Smeet
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ModeratorHow does he try to “blunt the picture of losses”?
By accepting there were some losses, but discussing at much more length how Ukrainian propagandists have manipulate images to make the losses appear higher, to take one example.
And, of course, he may well be a lone individual (with a very good source on the units present for the battle), but there’s no reason to presume that he might not be being fed directly or indirectly by the Russian infowar sources. Certainly, his output seems largely pro-Russia. So a spoonful of scepticism is warranted.
All roads are under Russian fire control. No vehicles or large concentrations can get in or out except under withering fire.
Yet it seems vehicles and resources are getting through, and Russia cannot close the gap.
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorStrategic truth telling is a key part of propaganda: controlling the narrative is equally important, so, for instance, silence after the disaster at Vuhledar was an admission of taking a heavy hit. The presenter at History Legends spends a lot of time admitting the battle was lost – blaming incompetence – but does try to blunt the picture of losses: it’s a truth shit sandwich to try and protect the bigger picture and rally the virtual troops.
As I understand the situation in Bakhmut there is still one relief road, and combat going on to prevent it being closed, and it seems Ukraine is putting in reserves. I think that, despite recent advances, Russia can’t close the circle is significant. I’d rate the chances of Ukraine losing all their forces there as low.
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorNormally a fairly pro-Russian source: with a very detailed account of the mess up at Vuhledar – I’d suggest this apparent honesty is in fact sophisticated propaganda, but it may be giving a semi-accurate account of the role of lack of proper co-ordination by Russian command, and the effect of NATO resources being given to Ukraine. It may also be pro-Wagnerite noise.
I think the main take away is that there was a failed assault by Russian forces at Vulhedar, and there were significant losses that the twitterbots couldn’t hide.
(BTW, I note, 7 days on from true Scotsman proclaiming the fall of Bakhmut, Ukraine is still holding it).
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorAll this began before the war and reflects Russia’s appalling covid pandemic. The official death toll from the disease was 388,091, which would be relatively low; but The Economist estimates total excess deaths in 2020-23 at between 1.2m and 1.6m. That would be comparable to the number in China and the United States, which have much larger populations. Russia may have had the largest covid death toll in the world after India and the highest mortality rate of all, with 850-1,100 deaths per 100,000 people.
If you add pandemic mortality to the casualties of war and the flight from mobilisation, Russia lost between 1.9m and 2.8m people in 2020-23 on top of its normal demographic deterioration. That would be even worse than during the disastrous early 2000s when the population was falling by roughly half a million a year.
So, some of it is their own calculation.
The decline is associated with increased misery: the life expectancy at birth of Russian males plummeted from 68.8 in 2019 to 64.2 in 2021, partly because of covid, partly from alcohol-related disease. Russian men now die six years earlier than men in Bangladesh and 18 years earlier than men in Japan.
No source given, UN population data, again?
I think, in the core argument, Russia has experienced declining life expectancy, the article is correct, but the claim about Haiti, seem unsourced.
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ModeratorThe world bank data is stark It shows a two year drop in life expectancy in 2019, for both sexes.
the Wikipedia article on life expectancy by country shows Russia in place 117, and shows that for men the expectancy is 66.49 years. Again, that’s Worldbank data.
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorIndeed, and the war in Chechnya, which, recognised as a civil war, seems to have followed a similar pattern. But there, it was within Russia’s recognised borders, and against Muslims, so it was backed. But, it seems, Putin has been on a Great Russian restoration by force project from day one.
Curiously, Sputnik, Tass & RT are silent on Bakhmut this morning, twitter is, as usual ablaze with updates…
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorWell, it looks like Bakhmut is about to fall, but Ukrainians avoided total encirclement and capture, and so they are able to withdraw in order.
Obviously, fog of war and propaganda prevails.
But it looks like rinse and repeat will be the next actions, as Russia moves on the next Ukrainian fortified position.
Young Master Smeet
Moderatorhttps://youtu.be/96gjjkOZpfg?t=1310
The interesting point is that he seems to be claiming the immediate objective is to ‘lock down’ Donetsk and Luhansk, and maybe over three years(!) push all the way to the Dnipro for a new border.
On a material level, the resources in the Donbas would be enough to repay the cost of the war to Russia…
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ModeratorThere is a version of his works online Here so if anyone wants to read directly they can.
Young Master Smeet
Moderator“Russian senators have upheld a bill ordering all public and private entities to use only Russian words in their official communication”
Ahem.
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorOh my aching sides: Russia limits use of foreign words
Russian senators have upheld a bill ordering all public and private entities to use only Russian words in their official communication. The legislation adopted on Wednesday by the parliament’s upper house – the Federation Council – states that the only exception is words that have no Russian equivalent.
So, after waging a war, in part, because the language rights of Russian speakers in Ukraine were suppressed, ‘Multi-ethnic’ Russia attacks it’s minority languages.
As Wikipedia notes:
On 19 June 2018, the Russian State Duma adopted a bill that made education in all languages but Russian optional, overruling previous laws by ethnic autonomies, and reducing instruction in minority languages to only two hours a week. This bill has been likened by some commentators, such as in Foreign Affairs, to a policy of Russification.and
In 2020, a set of amendments to the Russian constitution was approved by the State Duma and later the Federation Council. One of the amendments is to enshrine Russian as the “language of the state-forming nationality” and the Russian people as the ethnic group that created the nation. The amendment has been met with criticism from Russia’s minorities who argue that it goes against the principle that Russia is a multinational state and will only marginalize them further.
It’s enough to make a cat laugh. There are 100 minority languages in Russia…
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ModeratorTruescotsman: So let’s compromise. Next time I watch one of his videos and he mentions Ukrainian deaths I’ll provide a link. BTW, the figure he states is 250k.
Challenge accepted. There is no harm in the none expert trusting authoritative sources, but sources need to be able to demonstrate their authority.
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorSpeaking of statistics: UN verified civilian deaths : 8,006 civilians dead, 13K injured. Mark that down, not Nazis, bystanders (OK, that is similar to the pacification of Mosul alone, but then, this is just the verified figure).
Young Master Smeet
ModeratorI’m not going to re-watch a bunch if his videos to find the figure for you lot just to say what a load of crap it is.
That’s not how this works: you can provide timestamped links to Youtube, if you were confident in your sources. Remember, last time I chased a source of yours from a video, he was quoting a Telegraph article, which is not an entirely reliable resource. At present, I’m afraid I’d rate your word as low credibility on any subject matter, based on that alone.Young Master Smeet
ModeratorYes, no one seems to be discussing the terms on which aid is being sent: if Ukraine is being turned into a debt satrapy of UK, US et al, what is the difference to it being conquered by Russia?
This article:
What are the conditions for EU‘s €18 billion for Ukraine? shows that a lot of ‘structural reform’ is demanded. (Interestingly, apparently these long term loans are practically interest free).Yes, there is the prospect of seized Russian assets being given to Ukraine, and reparations if they win against Russia, but it does seem that the Ukrainian state is now entirely paid for by foreign powers…
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