Young Master Smeet
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Not at all, but subordinating the struggle to military discipline and methods is a dangerous distraction, the point is to convert military struggle into political struggle for human rights (not national rights) and use strength as *workers* not as soldiers.
And, again, military action should have a prospect of success: there is no success for this action, all Hamas could do is hope a 3rd party actor will step in against Israel (who have nukes). Suicide by cop is not a political strategy.
That Autistici article is very good, and would be hard to beat: although I would finesse it a bit that while socialist revolution is the optimal solution (and method) immediate peace between capitalist armies on whatever terms is also inherently in the interests of the working class, since war in this form (involving destruction of life and wealth, necessitating military command/control measures, etc.) inherently hinders the establishment of class solidarity. We want revolution, but we’ll take a truce between capitalist states where we can. The surest way to secure peace is working class solidarity.
Communist party of Israel statement
“Nothing justifies crimes and massacres as committed today in the south of Israel. But the writing was on the wall, as I warned for a long time: We will pay a heavy price for the crimes of the occupation, the siege on Gaza and the arrogance of the racist) Kahanist government. There is no military solution, only a political one – the end of the occupation and Palestinian independence.”
So, some people under the repressive regime get it: there is no military solution, only a political one.
The Supernova festival horror will live in historical infamy. The more so, because the killing was personal, done by men on the ground, and systematic, callous and deliberate. innocent youngsters dancing, died.
By the doctrine of worthy and unworthy victims, this, of course, gets the front page news. Palestinian dialysis patients dying because of no electricity; youngsters buried under rouble of bombed out tower blocks; people blown up in their own homes: these too are horrifying (and you have to search the news for details of these, the count is now 493 Palestinian dead, according to the BBC. They’re giving a both sides total of 11 hundred, so that is 600 Israelis (and others).
Apparently, 120,000 are displaced in Gaza, which is about the same number as displaced in Nagorno Karabakh.
As one commentator has noted “Netanyahu’s goal was to manage the Gaza conflict at a sustainable level indefinitely.” That in itself is a crime, perhaps containing within itself all the crimes of the current situation. By the same token, Hamas are facing a legitimacy crisis, as Arab states normalise with Israel.
The dead are pawns to monsters.
So, it’s all kicked off again, sadly. Some parts of social media are going mad in support of the Palestinian resistance taking the fight to Israel.
There’s a resounding noise, from the PM, Sunak, Biden, that ‘Israel has a right to defend itself’ (and, in international law, it does, but proportionately, and towards a just outcome, which they never add).
Israel controls the infrastructure of Gaza (and has apparently cut off the electricity supplies, which will have collateral victims). Israel has also bombed Gazan homes (Hamas having previously bombed Israeli homes).
The interests of workers here is only in ending the violence (including the ongoing unofficial violence by Israeli settlers and security services).
(also, compare the blaring all channels reporting of this, compared to the virtual silence over the Nagorno Karabakh crisis the other day).
This crisis cannot be solved in Israel and Palestine alone.
@Moo
Short answer, yes, but you’re unlikely to get caught, but copyright is literally an exclusive monopoly of the making of copies of any work of art. Likely, lyric websites pay a licence to an agency, and in return report page impressions so that the fee they pay can be distributed pro rata (and they themselves raise revenue by advertising). It might be pennies per creator, but that’s more than they’d get otherwise.
Obviously, we’re unlikely to get caught, but the risk for us would be selective litigation with political motivation. We can say, with some justice, we have a rule against copyright material, and we can show we enforce it, so anything that slips through can be corrected.
Lyrics are copyright, unless that copyright has been released: being freely available online does not mean that a copyright does not exist, others are bearing the legal jeopardy. You’re best bet is to link to a lyric site, and give a short, pertinent quotation. If you do post the full lyrics, please give a source for it being copyright cleared (i.e. a wikimedia page or similar displaying a creative commons licence).
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/topic/music/page/13/#post-247340
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/topic/music/page/13/#post-247344Removed copyright content. Feel free to quote sections and link to published lyric sites elsewhere, but be careful of copyright infringement (per rule 4).
They’re being clever stupid, the precise argument is:
1) We won’t force people.
2) This could lead to people being forced toAllied with the stupidity “We won’t tax meat”, when no-one is proposing that. Part of it is some of these ideas are discussed, in the civil service, they’re in the range of options doubtless ministers have seen and rejected, and doubtless Labour would reject as well. But at best it is a slippery slope argument, and the problem is, once you start accepting slippery slope arguments, you’re on a very slippery slope.
But, they are right, in as much as ‘nudge’ and forcing people to comply without understanding or desire will backfire, but if we do need to reduce meat consumption, say, as a climate measure then that is something that needs to be discussed at length and decided: but, of course, they don’t really want democracy, they just want to muddy the waters, and position themselves as a bulwark against the stalinist hordes of Labour.
1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.
This is a thread for discussing the Ukraine/Russian war, if people want to discuss voting for socialism, please start a new thread. I will move any further posts on that topic.
So, it seems SMER has topped the poll in Slovakia : there remain questions as to whether they will be able to form a coalition. It’s also questionable as to what effect their withdrawing from assistance to Urkaine will have, I don’t think they make natural allies with Orban’s Hungary (and no Hungarian party made it into the Slovak Parliament), but they may well pull together on this issue. Next stop, Poland, in two week’s time.
Oh, and as so often, Clare Daly appears to have been on the case
“Officially the EU “condemns the military operation by Azerbaijan.” But EU policies fueled this conflict. We’re ramping up arms research spending, building up the “defence” sector, knowing its products will end up in conflict zones. That’s what they’re for.”
