Wez
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So the historians are going to make socialism, are they?
Most people have no idea of the English Civil War or Age of Enlightenment, and don’t know what a bourgeois is. “Something foreign?”
Of course historians will help make socialism. History is our greatest ally – it is the foremost political/intellectual arena for debate. Without the talents of this part of the working class it has no chance of class consciousness. Your designation of ‘most people’ makes you sound very elitist. I know many who take a lively interest in history.
‘The chance was lost the moment Lenin & Co. decided to steal the words socialism and communism.’
TM – But the English Revolution was made in the name of Christianity and the bourgeois dictatorship was called a ‘Commonwealth’ by Cromwell. Similarly the French Revolution was made in the name of the Enlightenment as was Robespierre’s ‘terror’. My point is that most historians and others don’t believe that anymore and it’s the same with the Russian coup of 1917 – fewer and fewer serious historians consider it to have been socialist.Black spidery type on a white background has too much glare for me – plus I have floaters in my eyes and it looks like insects crawling around. Not pleasant.
Perhaps the elite of the USA need some foreign enemies to demonize to distract from the way their own country seems to be falling apart?
Having done a little more research on Grayzone I found this interview with an ex US diplomat who is very critical of Putin. This would seem to counter the accusation that they do not give a platform to those who criticize Russia and that they ‘practice deceit by omission’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxufUeqnuc&t=2024s
‘Yes, they offer an alternative narrative to the mainstream media.’
They don’t just offer an alternative – they are contemptuous of US mainstream media for the same reason we are! Their critique of the Ukrainian war maybe biased but their critique of mainstream media is spot on.Alan – Are you saying that they’re pro Putin? Certainly there was nothing in the clip that I gave the link for that any socialist could disagree with. That the Ukraine war is a US proxy war is just a fact and that doesn’t make them ‘anti-American’. I’ll continue to research them but if you can link me with any pro Putin content of theirs please do so.
What are we to make of the ‘Grayzone’ journalists in the USA? Do they represent a little light in this ‘dark future’? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCgI3C7te5w
‘Wez, I am aware of the battle for dominance between capitalist super powers. But does that mean that one has to say that any non-socialist should view Russia’s invasion as reasonable?’
‘Reason’ and morality do not enter into the calculations of ruling class actions. Our case is that war is the inevitable result of capitalism for reasons I’m sure you know Sympo. Justifiable feelings of moral outrage and the comprehension of the madness of war has never stopped them and never will. The justification of capitalism (from the right or left) is a justification of war.Sympo – you seem to be unaware of the struggle between the ruling classes of the USA, Russia and China for global dominance. The propaganda it uses to mobilize the working class to do its killing is only understandable in this context. It is our job to expose the reality that underlies the ideologies of hate.
‘So Pilger is not defending Russia – he’s merely arguing that it made sense to invade Ukraine because Ukraine was doing stuff that was scary to Russia. In the same way, I suppose, that it made sense for the Nazis to mass murder ethnic groups, whose existence they regarded as a threat.’
Sympo – Are you really comparing the non-existent threat of the European Jewish community to the Nazis with the very real threat that NATO poses to the Russian ruling class?
‘I may seem a Moaning Minnie with some of my posts critical of the support being offered to Ukraine’s refugees but it does make me wonder why similar warm welcomes could not have been offered to other nationalities who also have suffered tragically.’
Alan – just for propaganda purposes and also most Ukrainians are very ‘white’.
