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  • in reply to: More on Brexit #185260
    vincentM
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    in reply to: More on Brexit #185244
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    Alan said:

     

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    in reply to: More on Brexit #185242
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    What a commotion. A member was not aware that Corbyn had expressed the view that the class struggle as defined by the SPGB was more important to workers than Brexit.

    That is all!

    Can we leave it at that?

     

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by vincentM.
    in reply to: More on Brexit #185237
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    Fair comment Alan but you appear to be suggesting that only SPGBr’s are class conscious. I very much disagree with this part:

    “The Socialist Party is the party of committed class-conscious socialists and its small membership merely reflects the small number of class-conscious socialists.”

    I know many class conscious workers outside of the SPGB

    in reply to: More on Brexit #185235
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    Alan said

    “Robbo’s comments were an opportunity for you to respond with reasoned arguments against his observations, even though you consider these to be ad hominem attacks.”

    No they weren’t.  his comment were full of strawmen that I have no intention of knocking down.

    Is it not possible to discuss Labour, Corbyn and the SPGB’s policy without talking about me? Why drag  personal issues into a debate unless your argument is bankrupt? I’m afraid you are not being neutral here, Alan. Think about it?

     

    in reply to: More on Brexit #185233
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    Robbo 

     

     

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    in reply to: More on Brexit #185230
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    • This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by Matthew Culbert. Reason: Abuse by the poster
    in reply to: More on Brexit #185206
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    I recognized this as VM’s humour, Robbo which you should have done.

    I don’t think Robbo did launch a personal attack towards you but expressed an interpretation of your post, VM, and where he believes it is leading to.”

     

    Me leaving the party has nothing to do with the subject under discussion. He turned it personal because he had no reply or if he did have a reply he preferred keeping to himself. I liked Robin but now I see him as the usual sectarian playing to the crown (allbeit a tiny one)

    Robbo said

    “It saddens me that you seem to have drifted away from socialism into Labourite reformism and making common cause with  Corbyn fan club.   Since when did socialists put their trust in, or hero worship, leaders?

     

    As for saying “The SPGB is small because it is hostile to workers and their attempts to feed and house themselves”  – come on now, even you must recognise this for the bollocks that it is.

     

    You have allowed the “red mist” that has descended upon you ever since you left  the Party to distort your perception .  I hope one day that mist will lift and you might once again become a comrade in the cause for socialism”

     

    This has nothing to do with the subject under discussion. If you do not recognise that as ‘turning it  personal’ then  the sectarian mist is blinding you also.

    I will leave this discussion to avoid more hateful attacks and assume there is no reply to my substantive comment

     

    in reply to: More on Brexit #185201
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    You have turned this into a personal attack on me because you have no substance and of course I am an easy target.   I am surprised at you Robin. Let’s stick to the issues.

     

     

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by vincentM.
    in reply to: More on Brexit #185189
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    ALB said

    Here is Corbyn recycling VincentM’s favourite quote from him:

    And it is only one quote from him among hundreds you would shoot down despite being in the D of P

    Like it or not he is almost certain to become PM according to latest polls.

     

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-general-election-polls-theresa-may-labour-conservative-a8869171.html

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by vincentM.
    in reply to: More on Brexit #185188
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    Robbo wrote

    “it would  be a complete dereliction of our socialist duty not to point that the election of a Corbyn government can spell only one thing – shoring up the wealth of a tiny class of parasitic capitalists acquired through the exploitation of  the workers.”

    By the way you forgot he is ant semetic and his ex-wives hate him.

    How can you disagree with his statement above?It is in your D of P and it was certainly  a belief of Karl Marx which is more than you can say about the absurd statement  ‘the immediate abolition of money and the state’

    The SPGB is small because it is hostile to workers and their attempts to feed and house themselves.

     

    in reply to: More on Brexit #184939
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    Alb said

    “You don’t have to be a Marxist to recognise that there are two classes in society. ”

    Not the point I made. In fact it is a completely different point

    No acknowledgement  to the correction I made? I have never known the SPGB to be so ill informed on the subject of contemporary politics.

     

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    in reply to: More on Brexit #184920
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    Matt,  that is another point completely. I was correcting the misapprehension that Corbyn didn’t recognise:

    “The real divide is between the many – who do the work, create the wealth and pay their taxes – and the few, who set the rules, reap the rewards, and dodge their taxes. ”

     

     

     

    in reply to: More on Brexit #184917
    vincentM
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    ALB wrote

    “A real Marxist would tell them both that the trading arrangements of the capitalist class are of no concern to the majority class of wage and salary workers ”

    Corbyn said:

    “We believe that the real divide in our society is not between people who voted yes or no for [Scottish] independence. It’s not between people who voted to remain or to leave the EU,” he told party members in Dundee. “The real divide is between the many – who do the work, create the wealth and pay their taxes – and the few, who set the rules, reap the rewards, and dodge their taxes. So let me spell it out: our mission is to back the working class, in all its diversity. And that’s what drives our approach to Brexit.”

     

    Jeremy Corbyn

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 4 months ago by vincentM.
    in reply to: More on Brexit #184824
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