steve colborn
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Here a the responses from bohemianblogger, someone who posts on the Shields Gazette site, in response to my posts. What do comrades make of them? The sites address is; http://www.shieldsgazette.com/opinion/your-letters/are-we-all-in-it-together-1-6548623#comments-area As you have decided to insult me on this site with the following;bohemianblogger7:10 PM on 16/04/2014Sounds very familiar, Milibands Dad was a devout Marxist and theyre not short of a bob or two. Colborn probably thinks that was the wrong type of Marxist/communist/socialist &c.bohemianblogger7:09 PM on 16/04/2014Colborn doesn't do humour, or sarcasm, or anything that requires leaving 'the script' ;)bohemianblogger7:07 PM on 16/04/2014Don't hold your breath for a reply Banished
Colborn doesn't have answers, just reads from the script ;)I want to offer you an opportunity to debate your incorrect assertions at a Public Debate, at a venue of your choice. I am sure that the editor of the Gazette would consent to officiate at this event.My email address is stvclbrn@yahoo.co.uk.I await your acceptance at your convenience! It appears bohemianblogger has trawled through even more of my posts and answers to the same from other posters, here's a sample;bohemianblogger7:23 PM on 16/04/2014http://www.vam.ac.uk/content/articles/b/biography-of-william-morris/ according to official biography he was a radical Socialist, get your facts straight Colbornbohemianblogger7:24 PM on 16/04/2014William Morris, Socialist! Rowntree – Capitalist. Banished is correct, Colborn is wrong!bohemianblogger7:28 PM on 16/04/2014Spot on again Banished, haven't seen any supporting evidence from Colborn other than his own rhetoric. Pick a country, any country, that is successful as a Socialist country. Colborn hates Capitalism, yet chooses to live in a Capitalist country? Something seriously wrong with logic like that.bohemianblogger7:18 PM on 16/04/2014page not found! So Charlemagne not Socialist, nor Stalin, nor Hitler? People far more intelligent than you or me, with real printed books, PhD's and lots of respect have said Stalin and Hitler were Socialists so… (Rhetoric only gets you so far Colborn, I work with facts).bohemianblogger8:02 PM on 16/04/2014So I am guessing you are 'de-centralist' and Follow Sit Thomas More's 'Utopia' example? I know you Socialists have more socialist party's than Socialists, but I'm guessing your in those two camps.Of course compared to you I don't know what the heck I'm talking about do I Colborn?Take care ;)Obviously and reading my posts, it proves the point, bohemianblogger is not referring to my posts but what he imagines, or would like them to be. As I have said, I offer you a debate on a public platform. You have my email address, all I need is your acceptance, a contact address and we can get things moving!What do you think?Good luck to all comrades, in local and Euro elections. We need, as a party that espouses Socialism through the ballot box, to keep a continued presence at election time. As well as contesting, we need to use local newspaper letters pages, to get our case across, something that we have been doing in Seaham for 25 years.I wish I was more physically able to offer personal support but that time has sadly, passed. My best wishes to you all regardless. Your comrade, Steve Colborn.
Sorry Alan, late at night. Thought you said, itsalongwaytofuckafairy! My eyesight and sense must be failing.
Alan, you fuck a fairy if you want, long way or not, I want to FUCK Capitalism!!! Full stop. Reformism be damned.
When The Socialist Party was formed in 1904, we had a mandate as a Revolutionary party, whose sole focus, was on helping to bring about a revolutionary change in the way society was organised. Some time later, the Labour party was formed. It's mandate, try and make Capitalism a little bit better for the working class. Given the choice between a revolutionary change, at some point in the future, or promises of something "nicer" now, most workers took the something nicer in the "meantime" approach.It has been that way ever since. Not exactly the "pie in the sky, when you die", more like, more crumbs from the bakery next week! The cul-de-sac of this approach has, in my opinion, done quite a lot of harm to workers interests, deflecting as it does, workers energies away from getting rid of the causes of all their problems, to merely patching up those self same problems. The problems persist and so the energy needed to keep on patching, goes on, ad infinitum.With the reformist outlook, Capitalism continues. If on the other hand, workers were to invest their combined efforts to despatch Capitalism to the annals of history, workers problems would be solved once and for all. It is no easy task! 110 years of the existence of The Socialist Party, proves this beyond possibility of refutation. If the energy spent fighting for crumbs from our "masters" bakery, which essentially leaves workers problems intact, had been and was today, channeled into a movement for revolutionary change, wonder how much further along towards a sane world, we would be? It is merely speculation but what is'nt, is that we could'nt be any farther away than we are at present!
I find it quite refreshing, that reformists are prepared to come forward and debate their ideas. There is, however, a caveat, we have have had just over 100 yrs of reformist policies put forward by Labour and others! What has been achieved? Reforms that, in the first instance, benefited the working class, have been gradually stripped away, over the last 25 or so years, as Capitalists retrench their positions and flex their control.As far as pushing for reforms, in conjunction with fighting for Socialism! Every time one makes any sort of headway in reforming a particular aspect of Capitalism, many many more, spring forth. To such an extent, that one will find oneself with no time whatsoever remaining to work towards a totally different way of organising society and so, by pursuing "meantime" politics, Capitalism continues on it's merry way, unabated.
Is'nt it a fun game to play! Everything going peachy in the Asylum, Capitalism most assuredly is and claims from governments, that it's all down to their "brilliant" management of the economy, abound.Things go "tits up", in the Capitalist economy, which happens frequently, regardless of the "superhuman efforts" of arseholes like Cameron, Brown etc and they abjure any and all responsability, for the same! Now theres ironic duplicity for you!!!
" Although, "the multitude of productive forces accessible to men determines the nature of society" suggests a corresponding overlap between market forces and the growth of capitalism imo making a distinction between the two will help in drawing out any impact the nuances may have on clarifiying a cause for crisis.". I read the above and wondered if I had gone to hell! on reflection, however, I wished I had. I understand the need to use this kind of language but with respect to spreading "our" case, or more properly put, the case for we, "workers", is this the kind of prose that would, or will, appeal to our fellow workers? Somehow, I think not! Steve Colborn.
"Actually, in the Communist Manifesto Marx acknowledged that at the time a bourgeois revolution would have to proceed any communist (or socialist) revolution." Proceed? surely thats precede! : )
twc, your reply above, is precisely the terminology laden stuff, that I was talking against. Before I joined the SPGB, I knew, as a definite fact, something was wrong with the societyI lived in. When I came across the Party in the late 70's early 80's, they encapsulated, not only my thoughts about what was wrong and why but they gave me the answer to solving both my poblems and the problems faced by my class. That was enough for me and still is. That I have read considerably since then, has merely entrenched my thoughts that the SPGB are correct! Now the problem is, that we need to find a consistent and reliable way to get our ideas across to our fellow workers, in such a way as to bring about Socialism, in the shortest possible time. That is the conundrum that faces us now. Methodology not ideology!
I totally agree Marcos. Workers don't need this "intellectualeese" to understand the case for Socialism/Communism. The evidence for this necessity, is all around us. The bullshitters who, beyond all evidence to the contrary, continue to push the argument for the defence of the indefensible, Capitalism, use longwinded crap to try and "obfuscate", sorry about that use of an unnecessary and longwinded word, I mean 'cloud' the real issues.Let us, as "workers" first, in conjunction with, when we understand the need for, a societal change, as Socialists/Communists, start talking in "ordinary" language! Not so that we "talk down" to our fellow workers, nor try to appear as intellectuals, and arrogant, but as workers too because thats all we are, so that our fellows dont have to read a dictionary, or the combined works of Socialist thinkers, down the ages. It is not "patronising" to talk, as we were once talked to or, as I, myself, talk now. It is merely a case of making the case for "the change", more accessible.Lets stop getting wrapped up in who can cite the years when a specific edition of Das Capital was released. Or which Socialist theoretician, said what, when! The case for Socialism/Communism, is simplicity itself. It takes neither Degree, nor massive intellect. It takes exposure to the iniquities and truth of Capitalism, to it's basic contradictions. If we do nothing else, all we need do is continue to point out these contradictions in, louder and louder voices, so that none can fail but hear. As Steve Coleman once said, "if all the workers lined up on one side and all the capitalists on the other and the workers spat at the capitalists, we would drown them.As, if all the workers stood on one side and the capitalists stood on the other and we all screamed out the contradictions to the capitalists, of these self same contradictions we would deafen them with the logic for societal change!Lets start fucking screaming!!!!
As an addendum, the lovely Post War Attlee government, the one held up as "implementing Socialism", jailed striking dockers every year they were in power, using the "Emergency Powers Act", until they were dumped for the Tories! With friends like these, the working class need an enema, to get rid of the shite! A good old fahioned Socialist enema!The Minister of Labour, was a man called Manny Shinwell, MP for Easington and a man, who just like Tony Benn, was held up as a doyen of Socialism and the left. You could'nt make it up could you?
Police were used by the 74/79 labour Gov against strikers at Grunwicks and Vin is correct when he tells us Troops were used against firemen in 1977.If I remember correctly they were also used in place of refuse workers! Labour also set up that lovely bunch, the SPG, (Special Patrol Group), in snatch squads, to grab so-called trouble makers and agitators, at sites of industrial disputes. This is some of the heritage passed down from these lying scum bags, posing as workers friends! Withy friends like these, who needs the Tories.
