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It would seem that this group had links with the right-wing Qanon movement and also sought to establish links with the right-wing Putin regime. Birds of a feather flock together I guess….
Came across the article “Is Russia fascist?” The writer seems to think Russia is a case of “late-stage fascism”. I think he is wrong for the same reason that people like our resident bore, TS, is wrong in calling Ukraine a “Nazi regime”. Both Ukraine and Russia are repressive right-wing capitalist oligarchies and only a gullible idiot could buy such claims that Russia’s imperialistic invasion of Ukraine was driven by the desire to denazify the latter. On the contrary, it was driven by the same old capitalist motives that drive every capitalist conflict – to protect and expand its sphere of influence even to the point of acquiring new territories at the expense of some other capitalist state
The Nazis in Kiev with their NATOstani backers started this war. Russia is only finishing it. Lesson to be learned, don’t start wars.
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BS. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Russia’s invasion was a blatant act of capitalist imperialism. Ukraine did not invade Russia; it was Russia that chose to invade Ukraine and then proceed to annex territories in the manner of an imperialist power. Russia is no less imperialist than the NATO countries that back Ukraine. A plague on both their houses!
“Kharkiv and Kherson are now Russia. Odessa will be. Who said anything about a long-term occupation of Ukraine?”
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And this is guy who imagined that the Putin capitalist regime’s invasion of Russia was not imperialist. Ha! Even on the very narrow definition of “imperialism” as territorial acquisition, the regime qualifies as unquestionably imperialist
“Genuine question – when has your little cabal brought about any social change?”
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Hardly a cabal – look up a dictionary definition of the word! – but in any case, as far as “social change” is concerned, it depends on what you mean the term. The SPGB has been quite open and honest about it. The social change we seek can only be brought if and when the majority want it; we cannot do it for them. There is no “them” and “us” in that regard. The fact that “we” have made no significant headway towards socialism is not just the SPGB’s loss. It is also a loss for workers in general You can mock the SPGB for its lack of progress but it’s your loss too.
As for your precious so-called Labour Party, one thing is certain – that it has done absolutely nothing to bring about change that could lead to a genuinely post capitalist society. On the contrary! Along with the Tories and other capitalist political entities it is a formidable barrier blocking change in that direction. Sure, it has brought about plenty of “changes” but changes that help to fortify and consolidate capitalism.
Is that really what you want?
“It is now all or nothing for BOTH sides.”
But only one side is equipped to win. Russia. Its victory is a certainty.
__________________________________“Victory” for Russia in that case (if their military is lucky) means simply hanging on to most of Donbas and Crimea. That is the most probable outcome leading to ceasefire talks and possibly the formal recognition of the break-up of Ukraine along these lines. It looks like stalemate in military terms is the increasingly likely scenario and Ukraine’s momentum in recapturing lost territory is going to slow down…
Tens of thousands of working-class lives will have been lost fighting for one repugnant capitalist regime (and its backers) against the other – not that a rabidly anti working-class nationalist like TS cares a fig about the interests of workers in this sickening capitalist conflict
“That is not what “demilitarisation” means”
Er yeah, it does. Third of US Stingers gone. Third of US Javelins gone. Third of HIMARS missiles gone. Third of Ukraine proxy warriors gone. M777s gone. See a pattern?
___________________________Don’t be daft. The loss of some military equipment does NOT equate with “demilitarisation” or is the English language not your mother tongue? Of course, weapons supplied by NATO countries have been lost. That is the nature of war. Weapons get destroyed. Duh. I notice you say nothing about the massive amounts of Russian weaponry that have also been destroyed or captured. According to your daft logic Russia too is undergoing “demilitarisation”
The fact remains that NATO militarily speaking is vastly superior to the Russian in terms of manpower and most other criteria you care to mention. Only a deluded fool would deny this. And thanks to the Putin regime’s imperialistic invasion of Ukraine military spending is going to rise in the future, not decline
Yet more evidence of NATOstani demilitarisation.
https://www.ft.com/content/a781fb71-49bb-4052-ab05-a87386bf3d5e
______________________________________________That is not what “demilitarisation” means
NATO countries many be experiencing supply problems for the moment in meeting Ukraine’s military needs, but you can bet your bottom dollar that military expenditures will be rising everywhere thanks to the capitalist Putin regime’s imperialistic gamble on invading Ukraine. Even so NATO has not demilitarised. Only a fantasist can believe that. NATO’S current military strength vastly exceeds that of Russia’s. It has approximately 3.37 million active military personnel compared with 1.35 million active military personnel in the Russian military and the former are better equipped and trained
I know Daily Express articles are no more reliable as a source of news than the dodgy sources TS relies on to justify his support for the capitalist regime in Russia and its imperialistic adventurism but if this is true then this is good news. Let’s hope the same is happening in Ukraine and Ukrainian workers abandon their military as well!
“What is fake? That there was a leaked report from the Kremlin or that what that report said is fake.”
Both.
_________________And your evidence is….?
“Support in Russia for the war has fallen dramatically according to a leaked report from the Kremlin.”
Fake news.
_______________What is fake? That there was a leaked report from the Kremlin or that what that report said is fake.
At any rate, it doesn’t alter the fact that more workers in both Russia and Ukraine rejecting this sordid capitalist war is good news
“Now, are you claiming that NATO nations can be defined as Nazi, as well?”
I didn’t say that. Just that NATOstan is allied to the Kiev Nazis. You didn’t notice?
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If the Ukrainian capitalist regime is Nazi then so is the Russian capitalist regime. Neither of them calls themselves Nazi but they are both authoritarian repressive right-wing oligarchies. If you are going to play around with words then at least be consistent. Your problem is you haven’t got a clue what Nazi means. For you, it’s just a convenient swearword to label what you perceive to be an enemySupport in Russia for the war has fallen dramatically according to a leaked report from the Kremlin. Let’s hope this is true and that the same thing is happening in Ukraine. Workers dying for the cause of their capitalist masters is an utterly depressing thought
“NATOstani/Nazi aggression” ???
You claim Ukraine can be labelled Nazi. Now, are you claiming that NATO nations can be defined as Nazi, as well?
_____________________________________________Well Alan if NATO nations are defined as Nazi by our resident fantasist then VERY DEFINITELY imperialist Russia would qualify as a Nazi state as well and TS, as a nazi sympathiser. That would not be surprising given TS’s far right, nationalistic and rabidly anti-working class (he wants workers to die for his preferred capitalist regime) outlook
“(Yawn). Russia is not imperialist.”
(Yawn) imperialism is a symptom of capitalism and it’s expansionist accumulative dynamic. All capitalist states – and Russia is a capitalist state – are latently or manifestly imperialistic in that sense. Russian capitalism is manifestly imperialistic in its military invasion of Ukraine and its clear desire to acquire new territories
“Lol, you forget about that ocean that needs crossing? The ports where the equipment must be unloaded? If it came to such a conflict all those ports would be vaporised, all that hardware sitting at the bottom of the ocean.”
You’ve been chomping on your magic mushrooms and riding your magic unicorn again? The mighty Russian military is struggling against Ukraine as it is and retreating on several fronts. How do you imagine it would fare against the combined might of NATO even without the yanks? If European ports can be vaporized so can Russian ports, Russian tanks, Russian missile systems etc etc etc, and on a much larger scale Or in your fantasy view of the world do you imagine these things are impregnable? Of course, a conventional war with NATO is most unlikely because if it did happen it would likely escalate into a nuclear conflict in which case we would all be vaporised. And imbecilic nationalist warmongers cheering on one side or the other, like yourself, will be to blame
“We are discussing this because there is a threat of a direct military conflict between NATO and Russia.”
Yes and only a nationalist and rabid supporter of capitalism like you would actually choose to support one capitalist side against the other in this conflict. You are no better than the liberals you say you oppose
“Anyone with half a brain welcomes the defeat of Nazism and imperialism. Maybe the lobotomy was a bit too vigorous.”
Except that this conflict has got sod all to do with the “defeat of Nazism”. If Ukraine is a Nazi regime then so too is Russia in de facto terms! There is nothing to choose between them of any substance, apart from the labels. All capitalist states need to concoct some ideological pretext or excuse for engaging in a war with a rival capitalist state in order to advance their own material interests. The Putin regime invented the pretext of “denazification” to justify its imperialist invasion of Ukraine. In reality, it is a mirror image of Ukraine in being a right-wing repressive corrupt authoritarian regime that muzzles its opponents and attacks basic democratic freedoms
