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MBellemare wrote:Oh…Glad to see DJP that you have not yet reclined your comfortable marxist armchair, for your afternoon nap, as of yet. But seeing how little you have delved into what I have said, can only mean your head really, really hurts. Go to bed, it will do you good. 1. (Jesus Was a Communist, Marcos)…lolololol…. You should know, I don't support the capitalist-state, I want to do away with it, in all its shapes and/or forms. This includes all forms of religion. 2. And I am quite sure Galbraith, did not argue my anarchist point. No political-economic theorist to date has argued that prices, values, and wages, are arbitrarily/artificially fabricrated, by ruling capitalist networks, based solely the whims of these ruling capitalist networks, meaning the extent of their power and influence. But, I guess to SPGB Marxists, I must seem like capitalist, since, marxism is the answer to all social ills."The Sacred Texts, The Sacred Texts, No One Must Tamper with Marx's Sacred Texts…by any means necessary!1. First rule of SPGB…Do Not Critique The Sacred Marxist Texts.2. Second rule of SPGB…DO NOT CRITIQUE THE SACRED MARXIST TEXTS.
I’ve got to say this is one of the most ill argued posts I’ve ever seen on this forum, and that I’ve seen some horseshit over the years.To begin with you imply by your use of terms like arm chair etc. that DJP is old, interesting that a self proclaimed “anarchist” would resort to ageism, why not try sexism, racism or antisemitism, or would that not be acceptable, ok to use age related insults but not any other non-pc insults. I think your actions demonstrate your true “anarchist” credentials, I have met many genuine Anarchists who would be horrified at such comments.Your next line of argument is that “your head must really hurt” what a pathetic response to reasoned argument. The world must stand in admiration of your intellectual prowess, and anybody who doubts you must be feeble minded. Earlier on in the thread you informed us that you wrote a book, well fuck me sideways, you wrote a book. It might come as a surprise to you, but lots of people have written books, and lots of the books were shite. I am not sure of the accepted a academic standards in Canada, but if any of the undergraduates I teach had submitted such poorly argued content as your posts on this site, they’d be sitting with their heads in their hands to play with. One thing you probably got right (I suppose if you produce such a lot of horse shit something’s got to be right eventually) no political economic theorist to date has argued that prices, values (sic) and wages (by the way your use of the Oxford comma is deplorable) are arbitrarily/artificially fabricated by ruling capitalist networks, etc. The reason no one has argued this is because it is very clearly evident that they are not. If a ruling network were arbitrarily fabricating prices why would tariffs exist? If prices could be arbitrarily set they could be set to undermine the tariffs. If prices could be arbitrarily set why do capitalist businesses go bust, they could just “arbitrarily” raise their prices and increase their profits.Next time you write “a book” you might want to stick to pissy modern art and leave the revolutionary stuff to people who know they’re on about.
Apparently EU sanctions are going to be applied to american jeans and Harley Davidson motorbikes, so it should only impact on fat middle aged, biker wannabe men, going through a mid life crisis, That's my next two years screwed up!
patreilly wrote:Major McPharter wrote:Anybody going? The first 10 get a packet of Tudor crisps and a Pint of Vaux Double Maxim. Lets hope i am trampled in the rush.Good choice of canapes but are you trying to put Bijou Drains off going with the choice of beer ? By the way, Major, John Bisset and Arch Stanton are going and probably others. https://www.facebook.com/206528372717351/photos/gm.414986845639115/1681365511900289/?type=3&theater
I would love to go, but unfortunately I am working in Loughborough the next day, so I have to set off in the afternoon. If others are attending, please pass on my regards and contact details.(I have had the occasional pint of Double Mackem, just was always happier with Exhibition or Fed Special. Anyone remember Tudor's Kipper flavour crisps? A guilty pleasure in the 1970s)
Don't know if we really can ever make any headway with the Tankies and their ilk.I had a conversation with a member of the RCG on May Day, which made me think that I might be better off talking to someone who was more open to different ideas and willing to question their belief system, such as a Jesuit or a Scientologist
ALB wrote:ALB wrote:The witch-hunt is now getting out of hand and there are other victims. This poor sod, who merely stated a historical fact, might even lose his job. He's a member of the Weekly Worker lot. We've met him at various meetings and whatever else the "CPGB" is it's not anti-semitic. Be interesting to see what their paper out tomorrow has say on it:https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/london-council-officer-suspended-for-nazizionist-comments-a3804626.htmlWhat a nasty little shit that Tory MP is.Edit: Just remembered we actually debated Stan Keable in September 2013.Here is the latest development in this disturbing case:http://labourpartymarxists.org.uk/the-case-of-stan-keable-no-criticism-permitted/
Interesting that reference should be made to the Equality Act 2010, " Stan was suspended for making “offensive comments” likely to be in breach of the Equalities Act 2010".The Equality Act:"requires equal treatment in access to employment as well as private and public services"it does not apply to private interactions between individuals, I cannot see its relevance to this situation, however it may be being used as a way of attempting to further intimidate public sector workers by threatening their employment.
alanjjohnstone wrote:With all due respect, ALB, i'm not really interested in the Oxford Dictionary says but what Paddy and Lorna have to tell us.I'm willing to wait to hear what they have to say before i agree or disagree. Their intro is a deliberate teaser and his posting a purposefully provocative. Paddy's usual style, i would tentatively suggest.I'm reluctant to pre-judge their talk ….surely we should wait until its over and decide if they addressed our concerns and satisfied our apparent discomfort with the concept. …Maybe we will go away with a little bit more to think about…However in the post Paddy made on Spintcom he said"First, let's be clear folks, intersectionality doesn't mean what you think it means, as you would know if you bothered to look it up".I think that's a pretty diffcult circle for you to square, Alan, ALB looks it up and then it doesn't mean what it says when you look, it up! You might not be interested in the dictionary definition, but it appears from his comments that Paddy is!It's pretty arrogant to assume that those that disagree with you don't understand the subject!As for meaningful debate, referring to the posters on this site as "gobshites" really helps create a spirit of debate.Incidentally I more or less agree with Adam, the concept of intersectionality and ideas such as layers of disadvantage, multiple disadvantage, etc. only apply in an economic system based on the concept of competition for advantage.No competition, no market, no clasees, no money – no disadvantage, is Paddy seriously trying to say that intersectionality would be an issue in a non class based society?.Attempts to try and overcome disadvantage in a system set up to create disadvantage are futile and divisive, we may as well have a discussion about juggling mince or nailing jelly to the ceiling, they're more likely to be successful than trying to overcome disadvantage in a class based society.
The latest tankie Group to emerge are a group known as "Socialist Realism" A meeting was held recently by the entire membership of the new group (3 people) in a clapped out Lada in a layby on the the A24. The venue was chosen unanimously because of its position close to Leatherhead and thereby invoking the glorious drivers of T34 tanks during the Great Patriotic War.The group began proceedings by reciting a eulogy to Harry Pollitt and then declared that all three would constitute the Central Committee of the new revolutionary party (motion passed 3-0).Voting for chair (leader) of the Central Committee took place after the election of the committee, all three members gave speeches varying in length from 3 – 4 hours, outlining the glorious deeds of the October Revolution and how Cde Stalin had bravely defended the glorious Socialist Motherland from Fascist aggression by personally leading the proletariat into battle. Each speaker then outlined why they personally represented the finest qualities of leadership as demonstrated by the late Cde Stalin and why they were the perfect candidate to lead the new party (and by default the entire working class).At the end of the speeches the first speaker (Cde Weak-Bladder) got out of the Lada to relieve himself behind a nearby tree. In his absence the two remaining members of the Party (Cde Psychopath and Cde Narcissist) both agreed that Cde Weak-Bladder was a counter revolutionary careerist and fortunately discovered letters indicating that Cde Weak Bladder had been a fascist spy since 1914. On his return to the Lada Cde Weak-Bladder was arrested and shot.An emergency report to the Central Committee was then received outlining the current state of the Party, the report detailed a recent 33% drop in membership in the Party and the fact that the Party's Head Office (a 1985 Lada) had been left by the traitor Weak Bladder to his wife and that the Party had no effective head office.It was agreed that this represented a "New phase of the Struggle" and that the role of revolutionaries was to be at the heart of the radical movement rather than split the workers. In line with this policy of not forming a separate party, which it was agreed was completely in line with previously policy of forming a separate party both comrades agreed to speak the holy words which negate any contradicition, holding hands they both stated solemnly "It's the dialectic Comrade". In line with this consistent Part Line it was agreed that membership of the group representing the most advanced elements of the Working Class should be sought, it was agreed that both Cdes should complete membership forms for the Leatherhead and District Rotarians as a matter of urgency.Meeting closed.
patreilly wrote:Bijou Drains wrote:gnome wrote:patreilly wrote:Does the SPGB have any plans for this event?Why not ask your ex-comrades in North East Branch?
She has!
Sorry, I thought you self identified as a woman on Saturday mornings, all of this identity politics has got me a bit confused. I like to be a dalek on Thursday evenings.
alanjjohnstone wrote:Normieshttps://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NormieCame across this word herehttps://libcom.org/blog/5-big-problems-angela-nagle-kill-all-normies-24052018i understand the word, but what’s it got to do with Anna Neagle?
gnome wrote:patreilly wrote:Does the SPGB have any plans for this event?Why not ask your ex-comrades in North East Branch?
She has!
I don’t know if the “gobshite” and “don’t know what it means” comments were aimed at my posts, however just to put Paddy’s mind at rest I currently present lectures on the subject on MA course at a well known Northern University, so I feel I have a reasonable grasp of the topic. (Not that Universities are the font of all knowledge, by the way, but I do follow the Party example of preparing well and researching before speaking about a topic in my day job as well)interesting that Paddy should comment that the party should be free to discuss ideas and then dismiss those who are discussing his ideas as gobshites, who don’t understand the topic, physician heal thy self?
alanjjohnstone wrote:also worth a readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams%E2%80%93On%C3%ADs_TreatyBut isn't it time England claimed back its share of Francehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angevin_Empirewhat about Scottish occupied Northumbria?
gnome wrote:ALB wrote:Aagh "intersectionality" ! As the doctrine that "I am more oppressed than thou" it is identity politics gone mad, a dangerous recipe for different sections of the working class to engage in a free-for-all for a bigger share for their section of the crumbs capitalism has to offer. It has nothing to do with the class struggle between the owning, capitalst class and the non-owning, wage and salary working class nor to the struggle for socialism. Quite the opposite. It is a diversion from it, a dangerous, divisive doctrine and practice that Socialists should oppose. An understanding of this is indeed crucial.Absofuckinglutely! I'm sharing this post wherever I can, providing you have no objection. If this is being advocated it's a further example of a certain branch's 'shakiness'. First they wanted to ditch the Socialist Standard and then to 'water down' the Declaration of Principles!
the whole notion of intersectionality is based on the notion of inequality which is itself rooted in an acceptance of bourgeois notions of equality, i.e. the equalisation of workers, if we have equal opportunities in capitalism then for example, as well as equalising employment opportunities we are also equalising unemployment opportunities. As Socialist we can see beyond the chimera of identify politics, which sets worker against worker and reject the equalisation of misery and the self limiting reactionary view point of those who promote intersectionality. I hope the speakers at summer school, correctly, reject this bourgeois bollocks, in line with the party case.
Alan, you underestimate yourself, my guess is you are already bi-lingual. You can clearly read, write, speak and think in English, I would also hazzard a guess that you can do the same in the Old Northumbrian derived language of Scots, so dinnae fesh yersel, bonny laddie!
