Israel V Iran

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  • #132716
    ALB
    Keymaster
    Marcos wrote:
    There are articles in the internet which show that Israel, the Zionists and the Mossad are trying to influence in Wikipedia

    I don't doubt for a moment that they've been trying to do this — as will have the secret services of the US, France, Britain, etc. The question is have they succeeded or, rather, have the Zionists succeeded more than the others to the extent that they can be said to be running wikipedia. I don't think so. 

    #132717
    Anonymous
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    Europe to ditch dollar for Iranian oil paymentshttps://www.rt.com/business/426856-europe-to-ditch-us-dollar/

    #132718
    Dave B
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    i The idea of the $ token money being displaced is interesting albeit it gets very complicated mathematically. It is being picked up by more orthodox capitalist economists from all strands as well which probably means they understand it as well. The following link is interesting as well because it now pulls in Karl and that wasn’t there before or a few years ago. I know because I was looking at it then and protested about it on several forums. Karl himself, like he did credited, the basic idea to others.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantity_theory_of_money The idea is that if you had like local market in town on a hill kind of thing. And they were using tokens or even to make it simpler one token to exchange stuff. And to make it simpler or easier to understand, as a scientific model, that all items exchanged had the same labour time value, lets say a weekly 40 hours of labour in goose eggs and coats. [And a fixed number daily exchanges; to bring in the velocity of money thing lets say for the sake of argument,20]  Start off with the absurdly simple; then work your way up. Then the value of the token is must be equal to 40 hours labour time. Introduce another token then 2 tokens = one coat. And you have inflation. However if you double the amount of transactions; not the speed of transactions; Then one token still equals one coat and you have no inflation. If you had an expanding economy using these tokens you could slip another in without causing inflation and the producer of the token would get something for nothing. Thus if the token of choice is the $ then the FED can generate them throw them into the market place by buying stuff or whatever without causing any obvious problem. Conversely if the economy using the $ token falls or people start using other peoples tokens in a different market place on another hill. The residual $ tokens become too much and 2 tokens exchange for one coat and you get inflation as well no longer being able to feed new ones in without making it worse. And the new token generators can start to play the game. What you really need for a token money system to work is a guaranteed end exchanger for the token. Something that is universally desirable and has value and certainly a ‘use value’. If you had little green stones or sharks teeth and you could pay your electricity bill with them or a mobile phone or Microsoft stuff or state taxes. Then you would have no worries about getting loaded up with something worthless as if you might not need them for that kind of thing there are plenty around who do. As in the international trading system $ have a guaranteed end user in fossil fuels, or deferred electricity bills, with the Gulf States which isn’t insignificant. If people like Lee Camp thinks there are legs to this kind of thing then I think we can. As below which is a write up of something he did on Redacted Tonight on RT news. He is quite entertaining and more radically left than anything else you can watch on TV.  https://www.truthdig.com/articles/i-know-which-country-the-u-s-will-invade-next/  Also the banks are loaded up with something far worse that token money and that is they are in possession IOU funny money notes which are payable in 2,5, 10 or 20 years. Called bonds. So in 10 years they will get their funny money back plus funny money interest that won’t buy a bag of crisps. That is not as much of a problem as knowing that they won’t buy a bag of crisps in twenty years. As then the race is on to sell the IOU’s  on the first suckers you can find and their  selling price and fictitious value collapses. The Wikipedia entry sites volume one but the one below goes into it in more detail I think. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/critique-pol-economy/ch02_2c.htm Additionally; If you introduce more tokens into the market someone who is generating surplus value can take them back out again by exchanging surplus value for those tokens and hoarding the tokens  under a mattress in the floorboards. Like simple commodity producing Silas Marner did; with gold admittedly. Simple commodity producers can produce more than the need to exchange for necessities or work longer, surplus labour, than necessary. And thus nothing seems to change. The money is there but it isn’t circulating. Or its so called velocity drops. [George Elliot was very good at this kind of thing and elsewhwhere made Karl’s differential groundrent transparently simple- she mixed in the same circles.] However if you are literally sleeping on a pool of paper which you might do at 0.5%  interest, so it could be in bank. I things start to go pear shaped as to what it can buy now and what it will you are going to want to get rid of it for something of real value. Which will make things worse. 

    #132719
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    The US could soon recognise the disputed Golan Heights as sovereign Israeli territory, a senior minister in the country has suggested.Intelligence minister Israel Katz said that the subject was “topping the agenda” in talks with the Trump administration.He suggested that such a move would bolster US efforts to confront Iran, “The most painful response you can give the Iranians is to recognise Israel’s Golan sovereignty – with an American statement, a presidential proclamation”, Mr Katz said.Adding to the push, an Israeli legislator wrote to America’s ambassador to Israel requesting that America recognise Israel’s claim to the disputed area, according to the Jerusalem Post.100,000 Syrian refugees fled as a result of the war. Israel has not allowed former residents to return, citing security reasons.In 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law, that extended Israeli "laws, jurisdiction and administration" to the Golan Heights. Although the law effectively annexed the territory to Israel, it did not explicitly spell out the formal annexation. The area has since been administered as Golan sub-district part of Israel's Northern District. The Golan Heights Law is not recognized internationally.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-golan-heights-sovereignty-trump-administration-syria-iran-a8366451.html

    #132720
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    The US could soon recognise the disputed Golan Heights as sovereign Israeli territory, a senior minister in the country has suggested.Intelligence minister Israel Katz said that the subject was “topping the agenda” in talks with the Trump administration.He suggested that such a move would bolster US efforts to confront Iran, “The most painful response you can give the Iranians is to recognise Israel’s Golan sovereignty – with an American statement, a presidential proclamation”, Mr Katz said.Adding to the push, an Israeli legislator wrote to America’s ambassador to Israel requesting that America recognise Israel’s claim to the disputed area, according to the Jerusalem Post.100,000 Syrian refugees fled as a result of the war. Israel has not allowed former residents to return, citing security reasons.In 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law, that extended Israeli "laws, jurisdiction and administration" to the Golan Heights. Although the law effectively annexed the territory to Israel, it did not explicitly spell out the formal annexation. The area has since been administered as Golan sub-district part of Israel's Northern District. The Golan Heights Law is not recognized internationally.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-golan-heights-sovereignty-trump-administration-syria-iran-a8366451.html

    It looks like the USA is the realtor of the earth, they have the authority to grant somebody else territory to another country, Is that what the followers of Donald Trump call anti-globalism? The USA guides itself by the Vatican Papal Bull  of 1493, which is known as the Doctrine of Discovery or the Doctrine of Domination I think that the so-called Moses took the wrong route during the Exodus ( if it ever existed ), or Yahveh is not very well informed in Geography, and Geology, instead of Palestine, or Canaan,  it should have been Saudi Arabia or Golan Heights, they are  the real land of milk and honey, they have large deposits of oil, gas, water, minerals, and logistic military advantages

    #132721
    robbo203
    Participant
    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    The US could soon recognise the disputed Golan Heights as sovereign Israeli territory, a senior minister in the country has suggested.Intelligence minister Israel Katz said that the subject was “topping the agenda” in talks with the Trump administration.He suggested that such a move would bolster US efforts to confront Iran, “The most painful response you can give the Iranians is to recognise Israel’s Golan sovereignty – with an American statement, a presidential proclamation”, Mr Katz said.Adding to the push, an Israeli legislator wrote to America’s ambassador to Israel requesting that America recognise Israel’s claim to the disputed area, according to the Jerusalem Post.100,000 Syrian refugees fled as a result of the war. Israel has not allowed former residents to return, citing security reasons.In 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law, that extended Israeli "laws, jurisdiction and administration" to the Golan Heights. Although the law effectively annexed the territory to Israel, it did not explicitly spell out the formal annexation. The area has since been administered as Golan sub-district part of Israel's Northern District. The Golan Heights Law is not recognized internationally.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-golan-heights-sovereignty-trump-administration-syria-iran-a8366451.html

     It would be interesting to how the American regime might try to square recognition of the annexed territory of the Golan Heights by Israel with its condemanation of Russia's "amnnexation" of the Crimea

    #132722
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    robbo203 wrote:
    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    The US could soon recognise the disputed Golan Heights as sovereign Israeli territory, a senior minister in the country has suggested.Intelligence minister Israel Katz said that the subject was “topping the agenda” in talks with the Trump administration.He suggested that such a move would bolster US efforts to confront Iran, “The most painful response you can give the Iranians is to recognise Israel’s Golan sovereignty – with an American statement, a presidential proclamation”, Mr Katz said.Adding to the push, an Israeli legislator wrote to America’s ambassador to Israel requesting that America recognise Israel’s claim to the disputed area, according to the Jerusalem Post.100,000 Syrian refugees fled as a result of the war. Israel has not allowed former residents to return, citing security reasons.In 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law, that extended Israeli "laws, jurisdiction and administration" to the Golan Heights. Although the law effectively annexed the territory to Israel, it did not explicitly spell out the formal annexation. The area has since been administered as Golan sub-district part of Israel's Northern District. The Golan Heights Law is not recognized internationally.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-golan-heights-sovereignty-trump-administration-syria-iran-a8366451.html

     It would be interesting to how the American regime might try to square recognition of the annexed territory of the Golan Heights by Israel with its condemanation of Russia's "amnnexation" of the Crimea

     The Mexicans can reclaim California   Texas. Arizona and New Mexico a territory that was known as the nation of aztlan and it was stolen from the Aztecs and the Mayas  

    #132723
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty signed between the United States of Mexico and the United States of North America there was a clause which says that the Mexicans were allowed to go in and out of the South West territory freely, and the treaty was modified in ex-parte by the USA, so, How is that possible that the Mexicans are considered as illegal in those territories ? I think that 99% of the US citizens don't know that. The original treaty was published by the Nation of Aztlan ( The Second Republic )  and the website was removedhttps://www.ssc.wisc.edu/soc/racepoliticsjustice/2017/07/12/what-the-treaty-of-guadalupe-actually-says/

    #132724
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    also worth a readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams%E2%80%93On%C3%ADs_TreatyBut isn't it time England claimed back its share of Francehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angevin_Empire

    #132725
    alanjjohnstone
    Keymaster

    But to keep on topic, Media Lens, have produced this analysis of the reporting of the Israel V Iran incident in Syriahttps://dissidentvoice.org/2018/05/skirmishes-israels-syria-blitz/#more-80366

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    On the news, Israeli actions tended to be explained and contextualised – they were often shown as merely “responding” to what had been done to them..
    #132726
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    also worth a readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams%E2%80%93On%C3%ADs_TreatyBut isn't it time England claimed back its share of Francehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angevin_Empire

    There is a large territory in the USA which was occupied by France and it was purchased by the USA under an agreement known as the Louisiana Purchase, the territory was sold by France in order to finance their war against the  Haitians  Jacobins and Toussaint LouvertureThe USA was going to be a very small nation. What about the Natives of North Americas claiming the whole continent including Canada? So, who are the real invaders? During the 60 the blacks nationalists were claiming the South of the USA and it was named the Black belt, cotton during the slavery  was more profitable than petroleum, and the cotton seed was used to produce whisky and bourbonHaiti continue paying to France for the expenses of the war, and the USA invaded the Dominican Republic in 1914 and they had to pay for the expenses of the invasions and they kept all the ports. It looks like the so-called white supremacists are not reading about their own history   Nationalism is worst than the rat poison in the minds of the human beings, there is immediately cure for rat poison, and snake poison,  but a cure for nationalism will take a long time in the human society

    #132728
    moderator1
    Participant

    Reminder: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.

    #132729
    Bijou Drains
    Participant
    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    also worth a readhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams%E2%80%93On%C3%ADs_TreatyBut isn't it time England claimed back its share of Francehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angevin_Empire

    what about Scottish occupied Northumbria?

    #132730
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    moderator1 wrote:
    Reminder: 1. The general topic of each forum is given by the posted forum description. Do not start a thread in a forum unless it matches the given topic, and do not derail existing threads with off-topic posts.

    At least this thread is far more informative and edifying than the one dominated by Prakash who is given free rein to bore everyone senseless.

    #132727
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    robbo203 wrote:
    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    The US could soon recognise the disputed Golan Heights as sovereign Israeli territory, a senior minister in the country has suggested.Intelligence minister Israel Katz said that the subject was “topping the agenda” in talks with the Trump administration.He suggested that such a move would bolster US efforts to confront Iran, “The most painful response you can give the Iranians is to recognise Israel’s Golan sovereignty – with an American statement, a presidential proclamation”, Mr Katz said.Adding to the push, an Israeli legislator wrote to America’s ambassador to Israel requesting that America recognise Israel’s claim to the disputed area, according to the Jerusalem Post.100,000 Syrian refugees fled as a result of the war. Israel has not allowed former residents to return, citing security reasons.In 1981, Israel passed the Golan Heights Law, that extended Israeli "laws, jurisdiction and administration" to the Golan Heights. Although the law effectively annexed the territory to Israel, it did not explicitly spell out the formal annexation. The area has since been administered as Golan sub-district part of Israel's Northern District. The Golan Heights Law is not recognized internationally.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-golan-heights-sovereignty-trump-administration-syria-iran-a8366451.html

     It would be interesting to how the American regime might try to square recognition of the annexed territory of the Golan Heights by Israel with its condemnation of Russia's "annexation" of the Crimea

    The USA doesn't have any valid morality to speak against land annexation when they have been holding Guantanamo, Puerto Rico and Hawaii for many years. Hawaii was taken by a coup. Panama was taken from the Great Colombia and they formed a Republic in order to take the land and build the canal. The same is the history of Russia and the USA in regards to Alaska. There is an embargo against Puerto Rico similar to the Cuban embargo, only US corporation and US ships can have trade deals in Puerto Rico. The Virgin Islands were sold to the US by Denmark and Sweden, that land was inhabited by Tainos and Caribes

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