Bijou Drains
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TN – “Crimea was wrongly given over. Ask any Crimean.”
Are you referring to the 1783 annexation of the Crimea by the Russian Empire?
Russian state has announced that “Bakhmut is being defended as a fortress and that, as a result the city and its inhabitants would be treated as military targets”
Surely this is something that even True Narcissist has to condemn?
TW – Stated “As far as I understand it is the official position of the SPGB that Russia was provoked in to invading Ukraine. If you deliberately provoke someone in to taking an action then they they take that action it seems to me that the provocateur is at fault.”
This is not the “official position of the SPGB”. We are a democratic party and it would only be the “official position” of the SPGB if the democratic processes of the party decided it was the “official position” of the party.
Some members writing for the Party Journal have put their view that the West provoked the conflict, this was their view, (one I agree with to some extent). However this needs to be seen within the context of capitalist society, i.e. that all sections of the ruling class are in struggle with other sections of their class to gain the long term strategic and eventually the financial advantage, or trying to lesson their disadvantage, in terms of each other.
Which side was “at fault” is not something we (and the working class) have an interest in, one way or the other. It certainly doesn’t follow that we should therefore support the victim of the provocation. As we have tried to explain to you, our view is that neither side of the conflict deserves any support from the working class. They essentially are the two shitty cheeks of the same capitalist arsehole.
Your idea that Russia is some form of society that is not capitalist and is not socialist, is as laughable as it is demonstrably incorrect.
TW – “But parliaments are constituted of representatives are they not? How does a leaderless organisation lead?”
The clue is in your own words “representatives”. Representatives do not lead, they represent, a leadership organisation therefore does not lead, it represents the group it is elected to represent.
You seem to misunderstand the concept of idealism as magnificently as you misunderstand materialism. Idealism doesn’t mean that you have ideas. The Materialist Conception of History does not deny the influence of ideas on history. In fact there would be no revolutionary changes if ideas did not play a part. What it does is to trace the source of the ideas, but to deny the power of ideas alone.
Socialist have drawn certain conclusions from past and present conditions and are trying to pass on these ideas with a view to bringing about a change in the economic base of society because we hold that present conditions are fettering the further development of mankind.
TW stated – I believe you’ve misunderstood me. I was inferring protest/civil disobedience not armed resistance. – ”
You weren’t inferring, you were implying. The active person makes the implication, the inference is made by the person receiving the implicit message.
TW – “You are an ideologue All-in, not a materialist”
Come on then sunshine give us the meaning of the words you speak, or as I suspect do you just open your mouth and let the wind blow your tongue around?
TW – “The Europeans certainly don’t consider Russia part of Europe. No invitation to join the EU or NATO.”
I didn’t realise that geography was invite based. You presumably now think that the EU and NATO control geography. Is there no limit to your paranoia.
Presumably Switzerland is in Africa on your map.
😂😂😂😂TW- “Ukrainian losses are catastrophic and getting worse. I’m hearing a kill ratio of 15:1.”
That’s right. You heard it here first folks, TW is getting direct updates from the front line!
He only stops by our forum when he has a moment, mainly he’s busy liaising with the top people in Putin’s team. We should be honoured that such an important figure is honouring is with his presence!
No wonder he can’t outline the basic concepts of materialism, he’s got his nose to the grindstone directing the Russian military!
😂😂😂😂😂Perhaps TW could give us his view of Marx’s “The German Ideology”.
That would be well worth a giggle
Still waiting for TW to explain materialism and how US nationalisation was somehow “created by real Socialists”.
I do wish he would, we could all do with a good laugh to cheer us up.
TW – Still no sign of an explanation of your understanding of materialism or an explanation of how the nationalised companies I listed were created by (your words) the struggles of actual socialists.
Is it reasonable to assume that you haven’t got any?
LBN – On reflection, I can see your point. Linking a useful and (in my opinion tasty) item to our resident Stalinist, is a little disrespectful to the spud.
That said, and with respect, I can’t see “oli follower” tripping off the tongue very easily. I had used the term “tosspot” which was frowned on by our sage and patient moderator. However I do think this is a good term. It does not, as some think, have an obscene derivation. Although some have stated that it derived from tossing the pot down the throat (drinking heavily or befuddled) others have said it derives from the lowliest of servants to the great lord, who had the lowest job in the household, tossing (turning over) the porridge in the kitchen.
As TW really is the humble servant and master to the mighty lord (Putin) I think he does fit the epithet tosspot
TW – “That state sector wouldn’t exist were it not for the struggles of actual socialists.”
So presumably the following state sector enterprises in the US, were created by the “struggles of actual socialists”:
Commodity Credit Corporation (CCC)
Corporation for National and Community Service (AmeriCorps)
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
Export-Import Bank of the United States
Federal Agricultural Mortgage Corporation
Farm Credit Banks
Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC)
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC)
Federal Financing Bank (FFB)
Federal Home Loan Banks
Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac)
Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae)
Federal Prison Industries (UNICOR)
The Financing Corporation
Gallaudet University
Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae)[
Legal Services Corporation
Millennium Challenge Corporation
National Cooperative Bank
National Corporation for Housing Partnerships (NCHP); Washington, D.C.
National Credit Union Administration Central Liquidity Facility (CLF)
National Endowment for Democracy
National Fish and Wildlife Foundation (NFWF)
National Park Foundation
National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak)
Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation
Overseas Private Investment Corporation
Pennsylvania Avenue Development Corporation; Washington, D.C.
Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation
St. Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation
Securities Investor Protection Corporation
Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)
United States Postal Service
YRC WorldwideAnd presumably the UK Tory Party who undertook the nationalisation of the following rail companies in recent years, were also “actual socialists”:
Northern Rail
London North East Railways
South East TrainsWhat a spud
Tinky Winky
As you have failed to show any understanding of for instance Lenin’s theory of Imperialism, Marx’s theory of value, Marx’s theory of class conflict, etc.
Given that it appears that you have confused the ideas of Hobbes, Feuebach and Marx with those of Nostradamus.
Could you please explain to us your concept of Materialism?
Howay son, I could do with a laugh.
