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Definitely two (Cardiff Central and Folkestone & Hythe). We could add a third, in London, if a branch wanted. If so, the best would be Vauxhall (in which Head Office is situated) and where we have stood many times.
Somebody gave me their copy of the 15 August issue of the London Review of Books. There’s an article by Alexander Zevin ( of New Left Review) which makes a relevant point:
“The image of the EU held by those who still hope to reverse the Brexit vote is rarely darkened by its actions, from the devastation of Greece under Troika-imposed austerity, to the stagnation of Italy, whose modest fiscal stimulus runs foul of Europe’s draconian deficit and debt rules, to the way it treats those who cross its southern and eastern borders. Membership of such a club may look preferable to exclusion from it, but it’s unclear why there should be much enthusiasm about the choice.”
Or, of course, why people should get worked up in favour of the choice to leave it.
Here’s my answer to Jem Bendell, posted here a few days out:
I’ve just finished reading the XR Handbook, This is Not a Drill published for them by Penguins, which expounds the ideology behind their actions.
Here’s an example of their alarmism, from Professor Jem Bendell (echoed by Roger Hallam in that interview):
“My guess is that, within ten years from now, a social collapse of some form will have occurred in the majority of countries round the world … A likely collapse in rain-fed agriculture means that governments need to prepare for how to ration some basic foodstuffs …”
I predict that in ten years time he’ll have egg on his face. If I’m wrong, I’ll let him have some of my ration tickets.
Of course we are. We’ve been nursing two constituencies: Folkestone & Hythe and Cardiff Central.
The Election Committee has not been in favour of contesting a London constituency in view of the really derisory vote last time but maybe North London branch will want to stand again against Corbyn as at the last two general elections. Personally I’d be against this since, like the Euroelections, this one will be fought on a single issue with us not being able to get a word in edgeways and our small vote being squeezed even more, making us look stupid. We will have a chance to stand in London, covering a much wider area, in the Greater London Assembly elections next May.
Missed this at the time (last week, 26 August) but here’s Corbyn denouncing no deal as a “bankers’ Brexit”:
The anti-Corbyn media, i.e. most of them, criticised this as absurd, pointing to the list of bankers and other financiers who had bankrolled the Remain campaign. I didn’t notice any mention of the fact that a different group of financiers bankrolled the Leave campaign. Clearly, there was a split amongst financiers, with the mainstream City establishment supporting Remain (for fear of being cut off from selling their “financial services” in the EU) with a smaller number of mavericks engaged in less respectable dealings supporting Leave (as they didn’t want EU regulation of their activities).
The second lot will indeed benefit from a No Deal Brexit, in fact from any Brexit. Which is why of course they bankrolled the Leave campaign.
Yes it is linked to their theory that another world war is needed to devalue capital, by literally destroying what is it embodied in, so that the rate of profit can be restored (the same amount of profit on a smaller amount of capital) capital accumulation can resume. Since, however, it is nearly 85 years since the end of the last world war, they need a theory to explain why there has not been another one and how capitalism has survived — hence their recourse to a monetary explanation.
Ok, will post something on libcom blog.
The article in this month’s Socialist Standard does not criticise her nor her condition (in fact it shares her own assessment of it that it means she gets straight to the point). It was a criticism of making her a celebrity and the dangers of this. Personally, I think she is alright, just drawing attention to the problem and saying something must be done about it. At least she hasn’t talked about 6 million people perishing starting in 2029 nor claimed to have been moved to act in response to a message from some god. Good luck to the schoolkids’ strikes.
Just got round to reading this. It’s really two articles. One on Moseley’s book. The other on capitalism in the 20th century. The part on Moseley is okay, saying more or less what we did when we reviewed it
But they imply it’s only valid for the so-called ascendant period of capitalism up to 1914 when capitalism for them supposedly entered into its period of “decadence”. Here they go off the rails by seeming to suggest, as Noa points out, that capitalism has been kept going, as it were “artificially”, by inflation of the money supply by both the state central bank and by private banks.
But while the state can create more money-tokens commercial banks cannot. They are, as Mark himself accepted, essentially financial intermediaries shuffling already existing money. Their lending cannot cause inflation.
Banks can only be regarded as creating new money if you extend the definition of money to include bank loans. But this only confuses things.
What is really surprising is that a group in the Martian tradition should reference a rightwing banking reform group like Positive Money which seeks to explain why booms end in purely monetary terms.
Perhaps what the CWO has in common with them is that it offers a purely monetary explanation for capitalism’s continuation beyond the sell-by date they have fixed for it.
‘Doing something effective about climate change’ and ‘making society aware of the problem’ are not the same thing.
I agree that XR including the ineffable Roger Hallam will have done much recently to make people in Britain more aware of the problem. So have Sir David Attenborough and Greta what’s-her-name, perhaps more so.
But none of them are proposing the only effective way to deal with the problem. With his alarmist catastrophism Hallam is muddying the waters while the other two are not offering much more than putting reformist pressure on capitalist governments to do more.
As capitalism is both the cause of the problem and an obstacle to its solution, nothing practical really lasting can be done till we’ve got common ownership and democratic control of the Earth’ s resources.
So working for that is the most effective thing that those concerned about climate change can do today.
Having said that, I should add that there are plenty of scientists today working on ways to mitigate the problem that won’t be able to be properly put into practice till we’ve replaced capitalism by socialism.
In reply to your assertion that Hallam’s views are the “current scientific consensus” , I refer you to what Paul Arbair says in the article that sparked off the exchange here:
“Over the next decades, up to six billion people could die from starvation or be slaughtered, meaning that there could be only a billion people left on the planet at the end of the century. All this is really what the science says, he insisted.
Whatever one may otherwise think of Extinction Rebellion, the claims made by Roger Hallam are not, as he contends, based on climate science. They are based on extrapolations and interpretations that do not form part, as such, of the ‘climate science consensus’. The models used by climate scientists and the reports and scenarios of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) do not make it possible to assert with any degree of certainty that mass starvation will start in the next decade or that six billion people will die from starvation or slaughter during this century.
Hence, Roger Hallam’s claims have triggered some pushback in the climate science community. These exaggerated claims, in fact, make Hallam an easy target for climate change deniers, who can portray him as either a nutcase who is just peddling fiction to foster “global warming hysteria”, and/or as an unscrupulous political activist who (mis)uses climate science to serve his political aim of overthrowing the current economic, social and political order. Either way, his claims about what “science” allegedly says do not necessarily serve the cause of climate action.”
I stand by what I said about Hallam. He is a Truther who believes that an elite is hiding from the people the Truth about climate change (you can almost hear the capital T when he utters the word). As Arbair puts it rather politely, whatever his intention (and I’m not doubting his sincerity, only his views) Hallam is not helping the cause of doing something effective about climate change..
Schekn, so you are not prepared to criticise someone or some group which says that, unless some unrealisable demand is met by 2025, Armageddon will begin in 2029 and 6 billion people will perish? Such views are making a laughing stock of those wanting to do something about climate change. Criticising this is not negativism. It’s trying to bring some rationality into the debate.
But I am not criticising the people XR’s leaders have “mobilised” to express their concern and frustration about global warming. They are right to be concerned. What I am criticising is the ideology of XR’s founders and leaders.
Nor am saying that it is impossible to do anything about it. What I said was impossible or, rather, unrealisable is to achieve net zero carbon emissions by 2025, as some of XR’s leaders are well aware (though perhaps not a raving lunatic like Hallam). What are we supposed to say when some of them go around saying “The end of the world is nigh in 10 years” and that only 1 billion humans are going to survive, i.e. that 6 billion of the world’s current population are going to perish? Just let it pass without challenging it. I don’t think so. How, if we don’t, are we going to win over those “mobilised” by XR’s leaders to see what the rational way out is (not that I think most of them will need convincing that Armageddon is not going to start in 2029)? Which is what some of our comrades in Manchester, England, will be trying to do as we speak.
Personally I don’t see any difference between mystical and religious or spiritual. You can’t be any of them and rational and scientific, which you need to be to work out what is the effective and lasting way to deal with the threat of global overwarming.
where is the “mystical” part you mention?
This is the sort of stuff I mean:
https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/topic/extinction-rebellion/page/7/#post-186274
There’s plenty more of that in the book. And the Afterword is written by a former Archbishop of Canterbury.
your criticism of “They are not even really convinced that their demand of net zero carbon emissions by 2025 is possible.” is laughable at best and possibly dangerous.
The author, Hazel Healy, was the one who suggested that no one knew if it was possible.
In that BBC interview the following exchange takes place:
Hallam has just said that the elite and media were telling lies. Stephen Sackur, the interviewer, then says:
“But aren’t you lying and misleading people too because you are suggesting that it is possible, for example in the United Kingdom where the group was founded, that we could in the UK move to zero carbon emissions by 2025 and that really isn’t possible?
Hallam: Of course it’s possible. Anything is possible. It’s a matter of whether there’s a political will.
Sackur: OK, let me rephrase the question. It’s not possible within the framework of our capitalist economy without causing unimaginable damage to people’s lives.
Hallam: Well, the damage is imaginable and proportionate and it’s necessary because the alternative is social collapse.”
Make of this what you will but after watching the whole of that interview I think Hallam is a raving lunatic. But I don’t imagine all of those XR’s ideologues are that bad. Hazel Healy, for one who at least had the honesty to wonder whether net zero carbo emissions could really be achieved within 5 or 6 years of now.
Authors in the book are suggesting “system change”, and they do not write that it has to be capitalism.
You are missing the point. I wasn’t suggesting that Hallam or XR were advocating capitalism, but merely that the collapse/overthrow of a government opposed to XR’s policies would not amount to ending to capitalism, to “system change”. My point was what comes next after the 1-3% minority has brought down the government? The sort of participatory democracy that the authors you mention want (let alone the common ownership of the Earth’s resources, which they are vague about but which I don’t suppose all of them would necessarily oppose) could not come into being with only 1-3% of the population in favour. You can’t force people to cooperate voluntarily or to voluntarily participate in decision-making. They’ve got to want to. It’s not something that could be imposed by a minority. It can only come about when a majority want and understand it, not by the civil disobedience by a small minority. You’ve got to have a majority on your side before you can achieve a lasting alternative to capitalism.
So merely overthrowing a government by minority action would still leave capitalism in existence since the majority desire and understanding needed to end capitalism would not exist. You’d be back to square one.
Good stuff (except for the use of the term “eco-communism” at the end). Only lacking is a criticism of XR’s mystical spiritual beliefs.
I’ve just finished reading the XR Handbook,This is Not a Drill published for them by Penguins, which expounds the ideology behind their actions.
Here’s an example of their alarmism, from Professor Jem Bendell (echoed by Roger Hallam in that interview):
“My guess is that, within ten years from now, a social collapse of some form will have occurred in the majority of countries round the world … A likely collapse in rain-fed agriculture means that governments need to prepare for how to ration some basic foodstuffs …”
I predict that in ten years time he’ll have egg on his face. If I’m wrong, I’ll let him have some of my ration tickets.
They are not even really convinced that their demand of net zero carbon emissions by 2025 is possible. Hazel Healey writes of it being just a scenario:
“What if we aimed to cut absolute carbon emissions to zero by 2025? No one knows if it’s possible — let alone at this rate — but it’s instructive to imagine how such a scenario would play out.”
If you are doubtful that your key demand is possible (actually, it’s unrealisable even if socialism were to be established tomorrow). why put it forward? It does seem to be, as the author of the article Alan has linked to suggests, to offer some hope, amidst the gloom about human and other animal extinction and the collapse of civilisation, that something can be done to avert this.
And here’s Roger Hallam on how little support XR needs to overthrow a government that refuses its demands?
“The arrogance of the authorities leads them to overreact, and the people — approximately 1-3 per cent of the population is ideal — will rise up and bring down the regime. it’s very quick: around one or two weeks on average. Bang: suddenly its over.”
Yes (that’s what happened to the state-capitalist regimes in Eastern Europe), but then what? There’d still be capitalism, the cause of the problem and an obstacle to its solution, and to get rid of that requires majority understanding and action not civil disobedience by a relatively small minority.
Of course most of the thousands that XR is currently “mobilising ” (it’s a term they use) won’t adhere to these views. They will just, rightly, be concerned about the threat of global overwarming and frustrated that nothing effective is being done about it. They certainly won’t agree with the way-out views expressed by Hallam in that BBC interview.
My non-science-based prediction is that XR will disappear after a few years, a bit like Occupy did. It will have raised consciousness, about climate change, but that’s all. Hopefully, some of those they “mobilised” will have come to see that the only framework within which the problem can be solved is a society based on the common ownership (no ownership) and democratic control of the Earth’s natural and industrial resources,
