February 26, 2021 at 4:57 pm #214343
As we all do, I follow our @OficialSPGB Twitter Account. I saw this tweet, it’s a possible member of WSPUS or someone sympathetic to the WSM? Transgender and transphobia is not my forte. However, this does all appear to be the new ‘Section 28’ of today? Not sure if it’s mainstream? It seems to taken off at about the same time of BLM protests. Not sure we should be wrong footed. An up to date article would be an advantage?
This is a reply to our followers post:
any party that defends the sex industry and transgenderism isn't communist, period. none of them are gonna be able to erase their complicity in this bs. If you can't define 'woman' you cant talk about them, much less fight for them.
— Jordan Levi 🚩 (@SwamiNetero) February 25, 2021
Whether he is or is not a member of your party, maybe you should make a direct comment on his arguments, instead of just linking an article from years ago, since he claims to be a member of your party pic.twitter.com/wF7pl0D0wH
— Loh (@rfloh) February 25, 2021February 26, 2021 at 6:07 pm #214352ComradeEmmaParticipant
He has stated on Facebook and Twitter that he is a member of the World Socialist Party of the United States. Even as an outsider he doesn’t seem to have a coherent set of politics. He also retweeted this tweet from a Republican senator with ties to Qanon: https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1364719403498164226February 26, 2021 at 6:42 pm #214357
i definitely have coherent politics, emma. can you tell everyone what you think a woman is?February 26, 2021 at 6:55 pm #214360ComradeEmmaParticipant
Regardless of that, is being a socialist and an “impossiblist” really compatible with upholding the most reactionary and backwards of politicians for their opposition to trans people?February 26, 2021 at 8:05 pm #214367alanjjohnstoneKeymaster
I live in a country where trans-gender has a long history and i regularly come into contact with transgenders. I note the attitude of local women…they recognise TS aren’t male but still not women, despite ultra-femininsation. They are simply treated as a third gender, related to as sisters in spirit and mind who have chosen to switch and adopt the female role in society. Likewise, there are also many women who have adopted the “tom-boy” lifestyle and appearance (without the hormone or surgery.) A 4th gender? They too are not stigmatised by the community.
Importantly, i do see all this as a different to sexual orientation.
Despite a deep conservative culture, tolerance of self-defined sexual identity prevails. The political debate over the issue in America is symptomatic of its polarized positions on religion, not the reality in the rest of the world.
As for the sex industry, like any job, it exists because of poverty and a need to survive. Voluntary participants within it cannot be criticised or ostracised.
The Industrial Workers of the World approach is here.February 26, 2021 at 8:15 pm #214368
I retweeted this one:
Our neighbor, @RepMTG, tried to block the Equality Act because she believes prohibiting discrimination against trans Americans is “disgusting, immoral, and evil.”
Thought we’d put up our Transgender flag so she can look at it every time she opens her door 😉🏳️⚧️ pic.twitter.com/dV8FatQFnx
— Congresswoman Marie Newman (@RepMarieNewman) February 24, 2021February 26, 2021 at 8:54 pm #214369
I posted this here 21st January 2021 https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/topic/biden-is-president/
Return to the WHO. Revoke laws on Trans people serving in the military. Pledged to commit to Paris climate Accords. Stop building the Mexico wall. Reversing a travel ban to mainly Muslin and African countries.
My apologies the WSJ might have a paywall?February 26, 2021 at 9:37 pm #214373
you’re trying to change the subject, emma. i’m not gonna engage with your criticism of my RT. you need to tell everyone what you think the definition of a woman is if you actually want to have a good faith conversation about this.February 26, 2021 at 9:38 pm #214374
i don’t have any ire towards sex workers, aj. just the sex industry. women should be given better opportunities.February 26, 2021 at 10:08 pm #214375DJPParticipant
Jordan. For starters, if the “RadFems are right about everything” then Marx is wrong about the nature of capitalism. You can’t have it both ways…. You’re making yourself look foolish here, in more ways than one.February 27, 2021 at 2:29 am #214382
I’m thinking, trying to recall issues or an event here?
Think the ‘issue’ stems from the victimisation of trans people. That trans people are the victims of hostility, violence even brutal murders. Can’t recall anything here (in the UK) perhaps in the US? If so, nothing here about it, to my knowledge?
‘Rights’ then for trans people. That they should not be victims of hostility or violence! (The camp I’m in, which we should all be in!)
Transphobia; if you question a trans identity, lifestyle? This can lead to the accusation you don’t care about the ‘rights’
of trans people. Indifference to their plight…ultimately murder?
February 27, 2021 at 2:29 am #214383
- This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by james19.
i wasn’t aware of any disagreements between Marx and RadFems on the nature of capitalism, DJP. i’m more than happy to discuss that at some point, but that’s not the issue at hand.
the principal difference between scientific and transgender theory is a disagreement on what a man and a woman are. i could break down this group’s entire ideology for you guys, but i feel like you might not believe me if i were to do it myself. i want emma to tell you what they believe themselves so everyone here knows i’m not making anything up.
emma, can you please tell everyone what you think the definition of a woman is.February 27, 2021 at 2:44 am #214386sshenfieldParticipant
Jordan is working on an article that will clarify his analysis of this issue. I suggest deferring this discussion until that article appears. From my exchanges with him it seems that he opposes ‘transgenderism’ as an anti-scientific ideology but he does not deny the existence of ‘transgender’ people or advocate their persecution.February 27, 2021 at 2:50 am #214387
stephen’s correctFebruary 27, 2021 at 2:58 am #214389
Hi Jordan, I think you are missing the point? The party have no such issues with trans people, as outlined. I hope it helps.
Hi Emma, I don’t think there’s any argument(no disagreement), we support trans people against the persecution, hostility and violence, without hesitation. I hope we have resolved the issue.
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