The Reformation and the Rise of the Nation State

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    Thomas_More
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    The Hebrew of Genesis opens with “In the beginning the Gods made the Heavens and the Earth.”

    Elohim is plural of El, the king of the gods.

    Because we use the Anglo-Saxon Goden (Wodin) i.e. “God” in the Germanic languages, we lack the plurality of the Hebrew. Similarly, so do the Latin tongues, which use the Celtic name Teu (Deus, Dieu, Dios).

    The Gods are also physical, material beings. As Kautsky says, this was true in Jewish Christianity too: Heaven is to be made on Earth, it is not a “spiritual” kingdom in the sky. The religious idea today of “spirit” is inherited from Plato and the Greek idealists; it was unknown to the Hebrews and the Jewish Christians. When Christians today tell us God is “not a white-bearded man” that is in fact precisely what he was to the Jews and Judaeo-Christians: a material being who looks like us.

    A vestige of this original physicality of Heaven and its inhabitants remains in Eastern Orthodoxy, in which the dead are asleep in their graves waiting to physically rise and ascend, as bodies, upon Christ’s command.

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    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    The Bible is only a combination of mythologies, epic events, and stories taken from different places and different civilizations adapted to the Hebrews to give them certain hopes and written by priests.

    They also worshipped Baal
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal

    Baal was a major ancient Canaanite and Phoenician deity, revered as the god of storms, fertility, and rain, crucial for agriculture. Often depicted holding a lightning bolt, he was considered the “Lord of Heaven” or “Master”. In the Bible, Baal is portrayed as a false god and primary rival to the Hebrew God, with worship involving intense, sometimes sexualized, rituals that Canaanites believed ensured prosperity

    At the beginning, the Bible was written by polytheist priests in Babylonia, the Syrians and the Caldeans, and Jehovah is the summation of several pagan gods. That historical passage was corroborated by the Rosacrucians

    It has already been proven by different sources that everything is fake and did not take place, including the existence of Jesus and his zealots. The real name of that movement should be Jesuism.

    In Rome, there were too many christs and christians sects, but the Egyptian mythology prevailed

    https://oscarperdomoleon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/carcenac-b-jesus-3000-anos-antes-de-cristo.pdf. Jesus 3000 years before Christ, it was an Egyptian god, written by an ex-catholic priest

    Mankind has created more than 14 million gods, and India has a warehouse of gods and goddesses, and they have their own ‘sacred book’, like the Mayas,https://yucatantoday.com/en/blog/el-popol-vuh, the Aztecs, the Iliad and the Odyssey.

    The Greek mythology was part of the Humanities curriculum of certain universities during the 60; it was a much better read than the Bible.

    The ten commandments, the exodus, and all those biblical figures were made famous by Hollywood filmmakers to make money and alienate people based on false narratives.

    Engels wrote the real history of the Roman Christians

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894/early-christianity/

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    Thomas_More
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    I think we know things now about the history that Engels didn’t have to hand. There are many interesting books written by modern materialists and experts on religious history. We don’t have to rely on just 19th century sources any more.

    Even Kautsky’s is much more detailed and researched than Engels, and I think his Foundations of Christianity still holds true.

    Marx and Engels would have been thrilled with discoveries made since, including in the realm of religious history.

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