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  • #265266
    Thomas_More
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    Thank you. I will take a closer look.
    I think the kind of police state Constantine required, and even more so, Theodosius (who finally banned Hellenism, and ruthlessly enforced Christian Orthodoxy), required the type of ecclesiastical authority that only Christianity could provide. This would establish the dual Byzantine rule of Emperor and Bishops which survived even after 1453 in Tsarist Russia. The Western Church never achieved this, as Popes and the German emperors (Holy Roman) were always locked in conflicts. The west’s feudal system wasn’t suited to Byzantium’s autocracy. Feudal Europe was bound to go its own way, with the Pope too becoming a feudal prince, vying for land.
    Meanwhile, Byzantium’s autocracy was very different from the old, Hellenist, Roman Empire, which was a melange of mutually accepting cults, with no monopoly. Constantine’s totally new edifice needed something totally different, and needed the suppression of diversity and a rigid conformity to one tyrannical ideology.

    #265269
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    Pauline antinomianism would coalesce in the 17th-century personality of the Dutch psychopath Jeronimus Cornelisz, for whom it became a personal philosophy. He organised the mass murder of his fellow travellers on the ship Batavia. Bodies are even now still being found.
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    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/epilepsy/symptoms-causes/syc-20350093. Epilepsy produces psychopathic behaviours, and he suffered from Epilepsy

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/syphilis/symptoms-causes/syc-20351756. The only treatment at that time for syphilis was hashish or opium, and both produced hallucinations and mental disorders. For Lenin, they used mercury, and it is poisonous

    Vladimir Lenin was treated with mercury because his doctors suspected he had neurosyphilis, a severe bacterial infection of the nervous system. In the early 1920s, mercury- and arsenic-based drugs were the global standard of care for syphilis before the discovery of penicillin

    #265270
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    The New Testament: Jewish or Gentile?

    The problem with this analysis is that Judaism copied more of its principles from the Gentiles; in Canaan, they worshipped more than 30 pagans deities, and in other parts of the Middle East,t they also copied the traditions and rituals of pagans. The Ten Commandments existed 1500 years before they appeared in the Torah, and the Psalms are poems from the Egyptians. Yahaev is a pagan god. There were Gentiles as the Gentiles. The Rosicrucian book on the cosmos is similar to Genesis. They sacrificed their children to Baal, which was a pagan religious practice

    #265271
    Thomas_More
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    Do we know for certain that children were sacrificed to Baal, as in Carthage, or could that be Roman propaganda? Why would a society kill its children in large numbers?

    #265272
    Thomas_More
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    Where did you read that Paul had syphilis and took hashish and opium? Isn’t he unknown for the most part and just a pseudonym used by the authors of the epistles?

    #265273
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    Thomas_More
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    Do we know for certain that children were sacrificed to Baal, as in Carthage, or could that be Roman propaganda? Why would a society kill its children in large numbers?

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    https://armstronginstitute.org/1182-the-tophet-where-israelites-sacrificed-their-children

    #265274
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    Thomas_More
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    Where did you read that Paul had syphilis and took hashish and opium? Isn’t he unknown for the most part and just a pseudonym used by the authors of the epistles?
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    https://ateismoparacristianos.blogspot.com/2011/02/pablo-y-sus-posibles-enfermedades-jesus.html

    Congenital syphilis or gout: the treatment for both was hashish and opium, and later they used mercury. The diseases are in my Robbins pathology book, and they are ancient diseases.

    Gout is a painful type of inflammatory arthritis.

    It happens when too much uric acid builds up in the blood and forms sharp crystals in the joints.

    It most often hits the joint at the base of the big toe, causing sudden, intense pain, swelling, and redness.

    Intense joint pain that often starts at night; swelling, warmth, and redness in the joint; trouble moving the joint normallyLumps under the skin (called tophi) in long-term cases

    Causes and Triggers: High uric acid levels (hyperuricemia), diets high in purines, such as red meat, seafood, and alcohol (especially beer), medical conditions like high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, and kidney disease, certain medicines like water pills (diuretics)

    Paul’s sting

    Syphilis is an ancient disease caused by the bacterium Treponema pallidum.

    Genetic and archaeological evidence shows strains of the family existed in human populations thousands of years before the famous 1495 European outbreak. History and Origins:

    DNA evidence from ancient human remains pushes the timeline of the pathogen back thousands of years across multiple continents.

    The 1495 outbreak: A major, severe epidemic swept through Europe starting around 1494–1495 during the French invasion of Naples, Italy. Naming the disease: People blamed neighbouring nations for the outbreak, calling it names like “the French pox” or “the Spanish sickness”.

    The Italian poet Girolamo Fracastoro coined the name “syphilis” in 1930 after a mythical shepherd.

    Early treatments: For centuries, doctors used toxic treatments like mercury to treat the infection with little success.

    Penicillin was discovered in 1928 and became the standard, effective cure by the 1940s

    #265279
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    The eucharistic is an old pagan tradition of anthropophagia, of eating meat and drinking blood. Still, in some places, they are drinking turtles’ blood as an aphrodisiac.

    Stone altars were a central and defining feature of Mithraism, an ancient Roman mystery religion dedicated to the god Mithras.

    These altars sat at the focal point of underground or windowless temples known as mithraea, where military members and initiates gathered for secret rituals.

    The altar typically showed Mithras killing a sacred bull. Solar Symbols: Carvings often included the sun god Sol, ravens, lions, and symbols of light or the cosmos.

    Roman soldiers and commanders frequently dedicated these stone monuments to fulfil vows or honour the god.

    Worshippers gathered around the altar in dim light, often illuminated by torches or backlighting through carved stone.

    Troops placed these altars across the Roman Empire, from Rome all the way to frontier posts in Britain and Scotland, to seek protection and strength.

    Abrahms used an altar to sacrifice his son. Yahev is a god that loves killing.

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    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/holbach/index.htm. Holbach wrote about the bible and Jesus

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    Mithras is traced back to the Persians, and the altars come from the Persians. The Jewish religion is completely pagan or gentile
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    Ancient Persians practised animal sacrifice. Historical records—such as the Persepolis administrative texts and accounts by the Greek writer Herodotus—show that early Persian empires performed ritual animal slaughter (like horses, cattle, and sheep) to honour deities and share sacrificial meals .

    During the Achaemenid period, livestock was routinely provided for religious ceremonies and state-backed ritual distributions.

    Ancient historians noted that Persian priests (the Magi) performed various ritual acts, though some Greek accounts also exaggerated or misunderstood their daily customs regarding the killing of living creatures.

    Over time, mainstream Zoroastrianism shifted focus toward bloodless rituals, prioritising prayers, fire, and plant offerings like haoma. However, ritual animal sacrifice persisted in some regional Iranian traditions well into the Islamic era before largely fading out.
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    #265283
    Thomas_More
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    Stavrakopoulou quotes in God: An Anatomy a scripture where Yahweh bewails the death of Baal and goes down to the underworld to rescue him. He then expresses his relief that the magnificent Baal is alive again.

    #265284
    Thomas_More
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    I know animal sacrifice was the main ritual in Hellenic and other religions, and among the Hebrews. The Jewish Temple was daily awash with blood, and this only stopped publicly with the Temple’s destruction in 70 CE. There has been talk of rebuilding the Temple by Israel’s Zionist government today, and this would re-institute animal sacrifices. But it is only talk for now.

    Human sacrifice was banned by the Romans because it was still common among the Gauls and the Britons. Mithraism nearly won over Christianity, but, had its sacrifices been human ones, Rome would have intervened to proscribe it.

    #265285
    Thomas_More
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    ” However, ritual animal sacrifice persisted in some regional Iranian traditions well into the Islamic era before largely fading out.”

    Yes. The conquest of India by the Aryan (Iranian) speaking peoples in about 1200 BCE subjected the vegetarian natives (the Dravidians) to the caste system as “Untouchables.” The Dravidian scriptures are the Upanishads and they are the reason for most of India being vegetarian or vegan. But the scriptures of the Aryans are the Vedas, and they were huge animal sacrificers and meat eaters.

    #265286
    Thomas_More
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    Darantel La Mar, brilliant.

    #265287
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    The Jews also made human sacrifices to Baal. Prophet Jeremiah condemned human sacrifice made by the Jews.

    Jeremiah 19:5: Jeremiah explicitly accuses the people of Judah of building high places to Baal and burning their children in the fire as burnt offerings.

    Jeremiah 32:35: Mentions the high places of Baal in the Valley of Ben-Hinnom where they offered their sons and daughters to Molech, showing a frequent overlap in the text between these idolatrous rituals.

    2 Kings 16:3 & 21:6: Record that specific kings of Judah, such as Ahaz and Manasseh, “passed their son through the fire,” mimicking the detestable ways of the nations.Psalms 106:37–38:

    Laments that the Israelites shed innocent blood by sacrificing their sons and daughters to the idols of Canaan.

    Context in Ancient Israel: Strict Prohibition: The Torah strictly forbade human sacrifice, prescribing severe religious and legal punishments for anyone who gave their children to fiery rites (e.g., Leviticus 18:21). Prophetic Condemnation: The biblical narrative presents child sacrifice not as an authorised part of Yahweh’s worship, but as a severe corruption and apostasy into which the kings and people fell when they copied neighbouring pagan.

    It is later prohibited in the Torah, but several prophets mentioned it in the Bible. I know the Bible from the first page until the last one, and I have biblical commentary, specially Mathew Henry, where he mentioned human sacrifice

    #265289
    Ciudadano Del Mundo
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    Jeremiah 19:5 says: “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind”

    Jeremiah 32:35
    New International Version
    35 They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.

    2 Kings 16:3
    New International Version
    3 He followed the ways of the kings of Israel and even sacrificed his son in the fire, engaging in the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites.

    https://thekingsbible.com/Concordance

    Bible concordance
    Anything about the Bible can be found in this biblical commentary
    :: https://mhc.thekingsbible.com

    In his Commentary on the Whole Bible, Matthew Henry fiercely condemns Jewish sacrifices to Baal, viewing them as the absolute pinnacle of spiritual apostasy and moral depravity.

    He analyses these rituals through several key historical and prophetic events: Child Sacrifices in the Valley of Hinnom. Commenting on Jeremiah 19:5, Henry addresses the historical reality of Jews building high places to “burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal”.

    He notes that this practice was a hideous violation of natural affection and divine law. Henry highlights God’s explicit declaration that child sacrifice was something He “commanded not… neither came it into my mind,” emphasising that God completely disowns such cruelty.

    Self-Mutilation and False Worship (1 Kings 18: )Reviewing Elijah’s confrontation with the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel, Henry focuses on the frantic nature of Baal worship. He points out that Baal’s worshippers cut themselves with knives until blood gushed out.

    Henry comments that Satan is a tyrannical master who delights in the physical torment and literal blood of his followers, contrasting this with the peaceful, rational worship required by God. The Just Retribution: Henry links the Jews’ horrific rituals to their ultimate downfall.

    Commenting on Jeremiah 19:9, he observes a grim divine irony: because the Jews willingly sacrificed and burned their own children to Baal in times of peace, God justly punished them during the Babylonian siege, forcing them into such extreme famine that they resorted to eating their own children.Would you like to examine Matthew Henry’s specific commentary on Elijah and the prophets of Baal, or look into how he compares Baal worship to Molech?

    #265293
    Thomas_More
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    ” However, ritual animal sacrifice persisted in some regional Iranian traditions well into the Islamic era before largely fading out.”

    Aren’t goats still sacrificed in Islam for Eid?

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