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https://www.reviewofreligions.org/44533/the-enduring-peace-between-muslims-and-jews-in-al-andalus/.
The enduring peace between Muslims, jews and Christians in Al-Andalus. Cordoba and Toledo in Spain show a different picture from what is shown in the USA media outlets; the same wrong picture is shown about the Persians, Caldeans, and the Assyrians.
The educational system wants to remove humanities, sciences, world history, African and asian history.
Years back, Homer books were textbooks that were part of the Humanities department, as well as Faust, the Divine Comedy, the Social Contract, Locke, Latin, and French, Painting
Many teachers said that the Middle Ages were not so backward or a dark age
I agree absolutely. In Sicily too, Muslims, Latin and Greek Christians worked together on architectural projects. The old idea of “dark” ages has been exploded in the light of research over the last hundred years. Arab science flourished, the romance languages were developing, cosmopolitanism too. The 12th century renaissance brought Moorish knowledge through Spain and the Occitan lands into southern Europe and what is now southern France had closer ties with north Africa than with Paris.
In a very different Spain from what it later became, Jews, Christians (including Cathars) and Muslims formed a cosmopolitan court in the 12th century.The same period saw excellent relations with the Yuan dynasty of China. Marco Polo was not the first to reach China, but he was part of a constant intercourse which went in both directions. Chinese travellers visited Rome and France. In the 1300s Friar Odoric and others recorded their travels through the Middle East, India and at the Chinese court. Polo served Kublai Khan on trade journeys throughout his empire, throughout China and South East Asia.
The friars and others at that time who reached the Far East went not as missionaries but with humility. Their purpose was to align with the Great Khan and thus spare Europe from a feared Mongol invasion. This regular contact continued until the Ming came to power in 1368.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKISkEYPZbw. ( it
The history of monotheism from polytheism.Documents found inside an old city that was underground documents show that Yahve was the god of all gods, he controlled a council of gods, and he had a mistress ( like Zeus ) and he destroyed all the gods and he declared himself the only god. This Discovery reveals that Israel took all their gods from Canaan and that they were polytheist most of the time, therefore, monotheism was imposed by priests for political geopolitical reasons. That decisión gave birht to three monotheist religion
Yes, except that Yahweh was originally only the god of storms. El was the principal god. Yahweh usurped his throne and stole his wife.
Our English word “God” is from “Goden”, an Anglo-Saxon variant of Woden, and Odin.
Dios, Dieu, are from Latin Deus, who is the god of the Celts, Teu, Teutates. (We forget the Romans were themselves Celts!)
All that proves what Karl Marx said about the existence of religion. The original conditions are still prevalent in our society. The can not be eliminated by decree, as was done by the Bolsheviks; more than 85% of the Russians were religous peoples.
After so many years of scientific advancement, millions of people believe in religion, and all of them have been proven to be false; as Feuerbeack said: Man created religion but religion did not create men, but in the mind of million of human beings it is the opposite, at present, millions believe more in politicians than in scientific discovery, as in the case of vaccination and covid 19, measles, infection and parasites.
The new MRMA vaccination is a big scientific achievement, and many diseases can be cured; stem cells are a big scientific achievement, and many diseases are already being cured using stem cells, including arthritis and bone diseases. Despite all that, millions of human beings support conspiracy theories promoted by Christian nationalists, and they know shit about medicine, pathology, embryology, parasitology or internal medicine; they have killed internists and nurses.
Medicine existed for more than 50,000 years under magical medicine; it is part of its history, and still people practice magical medicine, exorcism, and witchcraft; we are still under the spell of the divinities, and a bunch of charlatans are making money and living off the back of the peoples, catholic priests and evangelical pastors are practising magical medicines.
In the case of Yahaev ( which adopted many names ), it was defeated several times by other pagan gods ( or whatever is called in different languages), and the pretext was that people were punished by him/her for their sins, and people preferred the king instead of Yahaev. The history of Yahaev is similar to the history of Zeus (Iliad and the Odyssey), which was the father of all gods, and he had a mistress, and they punished each other and had a family with human beings
This is a good exercise that you have brought to this forum, because it shows that the case of the SPGB on religion is totally correct, and to understand the case of Jesus we have to go all the way back to the primitive religions; the case of the Socialist Party is different to the secular atheists
Muslims generally do not support or accept the Apostle Paul as an authority or prophet.
Islamic theology views Paul critically, holding him responsible for shifting the teachings of Jesus away from strict monotheism and adherence to Mosaic law.
The Quran does not mention Paul by name. While some classical exegetes linked a passing reference in Surah Ya-Sin to early messengers that may have included Paul, he holds no prophetic status.
Muslims believe Jesus preached strict submission to God (Islam) and the continuation of God’s law.
They contend that Paul dismantled the law and introduced theological shifts like the divinity of Jesus, original sin, and salvation through faith alone.
Modern Islamic polemicists and scholars frequently describe Paul as the person who fundamentally altered the original message of Jesus (Isa) to create modern church dogma.
Paul of Tarsus is not mentioned by name in the Quran or authentic Hadith. However, in mainstream Islamic thought and modern Muslim polemics, Paul is widely viewed as a critical figure who “hijacked” or altered the original, pure monotheistic message of Jesus (Isa)
The “Corrupter”: Many classical and contemporary Muslim scholars hold that Paul shifted Christianity away from strict adherence to the Mosaic law and the strict human/prophetic nature of Jesus
Islamic teaching maintains that Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God or God incarnate. Critics argue Paul’s theology laid the groundwork for elevating Jesus’ status.
Islam rejects the concept of original sin and vicarious atonement (that Jesus died on the cross for humanity’s sins). Paul’s heavy emphasis on the cross is seen as a contradiction of the direct accountability taught by previous prophets.
Apologists argue Paul introduced antinomianism—cancelling dietary laws, circumcision, and strict adherence to the Torah—which went against Jesus’ own teachings to uphold the law. https://bliis.org/research/saint-paul-islam/
Scholars agree that the Apostle Paul did write several foundational letters of the New Testament, but modern research shows he did not write all 13 epistles attributed to him, often used secretaries (amanuenses), and sometimes faced later pseudonymous additions or interpolations.
Most biblical scholars agree that Paul personally authored seven letters: Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon.
Six letters in the New Testament are widely considered by scholars to be pseudonymous (written by followers or later authors in Paul’s name) due to differences in style, vocabulary, and theology: Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 11 and 2 Timothy (the Pastoral Epistles), and Titus.
There is a theologian who was a Jesuit father and left the vatican church.
He has extensively studied the Bible, and he has completely debunked the Old Testament; he said that everything is a myth, but his problem is that he believes that Jesus did exist as a rebel zealot and that Maria Magadlene, his partner, was the founder of Christianity.
He has also said that the letters of Paul should be indexed first in the New Testament because he never met Jesus and Paul started his own religion before the gospel was written.He said that the writers of the gospel never existed, and they tried to glorify Jesus, and that John never wrote the Apocalypse and that it was a type of literature used at the time that it was written, used to give hope instead of calamity and destruction,
He has said that the god of the bible is a criminal, a torturer and a terrorist, and that he is not the father of Jesus; his father was Mary and Joseph, Jesus called that god. Father and mother, like the indians called the earth the mother ( Pacha mama ) and the sun the father
Yes. I agree. I have just begun to read The Amazing Colossal Apostle about Paul, by Robert Price. We don’t even know if Paul was his name. Joachim Kahl calls him “that neurotic philistine.”
The “faith alone” Christians love him. I know that is anathema to Muslims, for whom alms-giving is very important, and also for committed Catholics. The “faith alone” dogma was what the Protestant Reformation heartily adopted, as it presided over the enclosure of land and the eviction of the peasantry, and the stigmatizing of the workless and homeless. No longer were these to be seen as Christ incarnate, but scum to be branded, mutilated and sold into bondage.
This Spanish website has exposed all the lies and distortions published by Paul and all the mysteries about his life and how the catholic and Evangelical churches have disseminated all his lies.
Many commentaries show that people believe his lies and distortions even though everything has been proven with historical and archaeological evidence.
Some historians have also said that he never existed, that he is one of the theological inventions of the catholics and Evangelicals; most Christian churches are Paulinists.
Besides syphilis, he suffered from Epilepsy; he was not a Hebrew; he was Syrian, his mother was Syrian, and his family was from the Herodian family. Faith alone contradicts the letter of James.
In James 2:14-26, the biblical writer James states that “faith without works is dead” and that a person is justified by works and “not by faith only”.
He argues that true internal belief naturally produces visible, helpful actions toward others.
James’s Teaching: Dead Faith: Faith that only exists as an idea or spoken words without action is lifeless and useless.
James notes that even demons believe God exists and tremble, but that intellectual belief does not save them.
If a person is hungry or cold, simply telling them “good luck” without giving them food or clothes shows that the spoken faith is hollow.
Porphyry, the Pythagorean writer who wrote Against the Christians did not take part in blood sacrifices, only Pythagorean fruit offerings to the gods. Against the Christians was burned on order of Constantine, but fragments have been saved and are now available in a handsome English edition.
In this, Porphry quotes Paul’s contempt for our fellow animals by saying in one of his epistles, “What does God care for oxen?” For Porphyry, for whom all beings were God-created, this phrase of Paul’s sums up Christian arrogance. Celsus too mocks Christians’ selfish anthropocentrism, which has God only caring for Christians, and only for his “chosen people”, even among all other humans, who will be damned. Celsus says that for the Christians all is made for man, including all other beings. He counters with the challenge that if a lion eats a man, then it is evident that man was made for the lions!Both books are in print in English, and also Porphyry’s On Avoiding Killing Animals.
Julian’s own Against the Galileans is complete in vol.3 of his works in the Loeb Classical Library.
Pauline antinomianism would coalesce in the 17th century personality of the Dutch psychopath Jeronimus Cornelisz, for whom it became a personal philosophy. He organised the mass murder of his fellow travellers on the ship Batavia. Bodies are even now still being found.
On a connected topic, a new book that looks well worth reading and is already being much praised:
How did Christianity, starting out as a minor offshoot of Judaism, grow into an international faith that shaped the world as we know it? Rome’s Age of Revolution corrects the triumphalist narrative that the Christian message was so persuasive, and indeed superior, that people converted in huge numbers, abandoning their pagan beliefs, thereby turning a small persecuted sect into the state religion of the Roman Empire. Tim Whitmarsh shows that Christianity would never have succeeded if it had not taken advantage of the infrastructure and culture of the Roman Empire; in turn the new religion was indelibly shaped and transformed by Roman beliefs and ideas, especially those circulating in the Greek-speaking, or Hellenistic, eastern parts of the empire. This radical transformation, Tim argues, can only be described as a revolution. The consequences are with us to this day:
Rome’s Age of Revolution. Augustus, Empire and the Making of Christianity
by
Tim Whitmarsh
Penguin 2026
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