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April 5, 2020 at 3:43 pm #198015DJPParticipant
Britain wants compensation from China. Fat chance of that happening
Well, some “think tank” has written a report saying that. Probably some things are not worth giving the oxygen.April 5, 2020 at 4:10 pm #198016AnonymousInactive
China might also ask for compensation from all the European nations for all the resources stolen and peoples killed for several decades, and ask England to compensate for the opium warApril 5, 2020 at 4:17 pm #198017AnonymousInactive
That so-called Stimulus package is just another corporate robbery and one of the benefited ones is going to be the president of the USA and his family. They can fool the foolsApril 5, 2020 at 4:26 pm #198018AnonymousInactive
The general concept spread around the members of the working class was that rich peoples are not corrupted because they have money, and poor peoples are corrupted because they do not have money, but the things is that profit by itself is corruption. It was a war of poor peoples against poor peoples, workers against workers, workers against emigrants, workers against others nations, and now everything has failed, and all those stupid thinking and concepts have proven to be completely wrong,April 5, 2020 at 4:33 pm #198019AnonymousInactive
The big difference between this pandemic and the prior ones is that this one has affected the rich peoples and the capitalist class. The prior ones the affected ones were the poor peoples and they didn’t careApril 5, 2020 at 4:55 pm #198020AnonymousInactive
“As I stated earlier, I did two years – 1956- 58 – Nation Service – not a voluntary service. You either did it or did not, the latter earned you a spell in jail so, for what it’s worth I chose the former.”
Not entirely accurate. My brother-in-law was a socialist and conscientious objector and worked on a farm during his allotted period of ‘national service’.April 5, 2020 at 5:16 pm #198021OzymandiasParticipant
Thanks Bijou Drains.April 5, 2020 at 6:08 pm #198022AnonymousInactive
Britain wants compensation from China. Fat chance of that happening
Germany is not paying war reparations to Greece, it is paying pensions to Nazi collaborators!April 5, 2020 at 6:17 pm #198024Zer0H0ursParticipant
Just wanted to drop in a see if anyone would like to join a chat from our subreddit r/abolishwagelabornow
This post, we feel, answers a lot of questions about what COVID means.
Zer0April 5, 2020 at 6:22 pm #198025AnonymousInactive
Marcos, I’m not as well-travelled as you, my life’s experience has been labouring in the UK; although I did do National Service 1956 – 58 so I’m not altogether ignorant of world affairs
The issue is not travelling, the idea is being in contact with peoples from different places around the world, and different regions, and be able to see how they think, and how they feel about their actual life, to be able to see the different political and economical situation
It might be easy for some workers in Europe or the USA where they have a long tradition of electing their minister thru the electoral system, but there are countries around this world where peoples can not even elect their oppressors, and they do not have an established electoral system, and in some places, it is a sham, and in some places around the world the bourgeoisie is backward and extremely reactionary, and they will do anything to stay in power, and a minority of workers are willing to defend them.
If by any changes the majority of the workers decided to vote them out in several countries, the workers and peoples and the rest of the nations that exist around the world are not going to seat on their chairs waiting for the establishment of a voting system, they are going to rebel against their own master, and they will use all their resources available including guns and kitchen knife. I do not support the killing of workers against workers.April 5, 2020 at 8:04 pm #198026
“I sincerely doubt that we will ever get back to “business as normal” after this” – Robbo
2008 Great Recession should have been a wake-up call but it wasn’t. Casino capitalism resurfaced very quickly.
I’d suggest there will be an increased concentration of capital later on as those who have weathered the storm, pick up the wrecked businesses in take-overs and mergers at rock-bottom prices and capture the vacant markets that bankrupt companies have provided the “Big Boys” with.
But unlike 2008, we now know who the essential key workers are that keeps society running. It ain’t those in the stock-exchange but those stocking the shelves in the supermarket. We have discovered the frailty of the capitalist supply chain and the weaknesses of globalisation.
We have also re-discovered our sense of community and cooperation. Social solidarity and mutual aid has sprung up everywhere. Despite social distancing, we have grown so much closer, understanding the bonds we share with one another.
These must be the lessons workers should all be learning and it is what we must be explaining in our politics, as I hope our blog has been striving to do with its posts.
Of course, it is ok for the Queen safely ensconced behind the thick walls of Windsor Castle, to bring back the Blitz Spirit and that is the desperate message of the politicians are presenting to us – even the Prince and Prime Minister were victims of the pandemic, we’re all in it together
But they suffered only the health aspects not the economic meltdown of livelihoods being taken away and the empty fridges and larders, that even some of the “well-to-do” have now suffered.
That is the stark inequality fact they cannot disguise any longer but it will be the focus of their future class camouflage, trying to hide it from us. They may well succeed if it is not challenged.
We have an opportunity, and it has been long time in coming, to directly relate the benefits of socialism to the realities that working people are experiencing right now.
People are feeling the pain of capitalism but are also discovering what unites us as human beings, the relationships of family, friends, neighbours and co-workers. Some may not like the terminology and reject its use – but our class identity has been getting expressed more and more.
But perhaps I’m not the doom and gloom pessimist many thought I was when I look for the silver lining in this crisis.April 5, 2020 at 8:19 pm #198028James_MoirParticipant
Not entirely accurate. My brother-in-law was a socialist and conscientious objector and worked on a farm during his allotted period of ‘national service’.
It was the enlistment form that stated where I had to report. Failure to do this I, would be arrested. It was later that, I learned about conscientious objectors. At the time, I was just 18 and had no experience of conscientious objectors. Apologies.April 5, 2020 at 8:26 pm #198030
This news report reinforces what I posted earlier that the pandemic offers opportunities for some capitalists to profit from
“…assets in Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and Asia were cheap following the recent heavy falls in global stock markets….”April 5, 2020 at 8:54 pm #198031robbo203Participant
Anybody know more about this?
“Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak ”
Patients saw the symptom of shortness of breath resolved within four to six hours after treatment. Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success.
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak [UPDATES]April 5, 2020 at 9:00 pm #198032
Some might say it is a sinister plot but socialism is all about data and planning
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