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That treatment is not new, It was used by the Mayas, Incas and Machupes to treat Malaria, and nobody wants to give merit to the Natives of South America, The treatment might work in some patients, but it is not the way that was expressed by Donald Trump, he knows shit about Medicine and Pharmacology, the dose must be provided by a Medical Doctor, and every patient must receive a particular does according to his/her particular physical conditions, and the USA is not the only place around the world who has also recommended that treatment, the University of Buenos Aires ( which has a very good school of Medicine ) is working in the same treatment, but as always they wanted to be first ones in everything and sub estimate others peoples and scientists around the world. They have also recommended to use medication to treat HIV and Tuberculosis
Hydrochloroquinine is a particularly difficult drug, I have a bit of insight into it as my partner was using it for six months from May 2019 to Dec 2019. She has been diagnosed with rheumatoid arthristis and it is used as a second level immune surpressant after methotrexate.
I am guessing to an extent that the beneficial effect is from the immune supressant qualities. It has been reported that part of the problem with Covid 19 is the immune system reaction to it.
Again I am putting 2 + 2 together, but bats have the highest body temperatures of mammals. The immune response, especially the fever response is designed to raise the body temperature to a level where it kills off viruses.
Usually this works, however it appears that because Covid 19 has developed in bats, the extreme temperatures developed in human fevers, which kill off most ordinary viruses, are not impacting on this virus and are in fact are more harmful than the virus itself.
It would follow that a drug which reduces the immune response may help, however as Marcos says, this needs to be a balanced approach, too much immune supression not only leads to problems with Convid 19, but it also leads to problems with other infections such as pneumonia, etc.
As I said I have some familial experience of this drug and its side effects can be pretty nasty, including blindness and other liver and kidney difficulties, which is why my partner had to come off treatment.
To no ones great surprise it is not as simple as Dopey Donald thinks, as Marcos says it will take a balanced and individualised approach, if this medication is useful its usage will vary from patient to patient and situation to situation.
It may be helpful to treat this virus, however in my opinion the rush back to “normal life” threatens the lives of many, with profit again being placed above human need. It would be foolish to play down the long term impact of this pandemic an a world wide basis.
The Cuban Biochemical laboratory is also producing Anteferol which was created in England,( As Tropical Medicine was created by an English doctor, a speciality which has helped to cure many diseases ) but Cuba made a joint venture with the Chinese to produce it in large scale,
It was used in China to treat patients with COVID 19, it worked in many cases, as an antiviral, but nobody had given recognition to a small shit hole country like Cuba ( expression publicly used by Donald Trump, president of the most powerful nation with machine guns, and nobody dared to correct him ) and it has been used in Italy where Cubans and Chinese doctors are treating the Italian patients.
The Cuban doctors are as good as any medical doctors and they take the same curriculum as any medical student from Harvard or Yale, and they are called nurses to sub estimate them due to the fact that they come from a poor family, but in the USA there are thousands of Nurse Practitioners who work under the supervision of a licensed medical doctor
I do hope that the Vaccine does not fall in the hands of the USA because they are going to try to monopolize the patents and sell it to very high prices and poor peoples are not going to have access to the vaccine.
This disease and this economic crisis is going to reverse the course of many wrong ideas and concepts which have been floating around our society, it will show to the world working class that we not living in an island surrounded by water, we are living in a planet surrounded by human beings, and that we have the same feeling, the same suffering and the same problem, and we share the same economical exploitation, and that the concept of nation is only a way to separate us, and that the flag is only a piece of fabric
Can someone give me a history lesson here?
1918/19 – Spanish Flu
50 – 100 Million Deaths2020 – Covid 19
66 Thousand Deaths so far (whilst infections look as if they are in plateau in at least in some territories)Ozy I understand that the number of deaths for the Spanish flu were compounded by famine in places like India which lowers the body’s immunological resistance. Also, given the reality of trench warfare in WW! you can imagine how this provide ideal conditions for the contagion to spread
This link might be of interest
https://medium.com/@robertroybritt/covid-19-pandemic-has-only-just-begun-e23a4b5694bb
Michael Roberts: ‘Lives or livelihoods?’:
In reality, the so-called Spanish flu appeared by the first time in the USA, and it was spread in the middle of a world war, and many soldiers carried the disease, and there was not so many medical researches and equipment like we have today.
The virus did not emerge suddenly in 1918, it existed 15 years before the emergence of the diseases, the problem was that prior generation had more immunity to resist the disease, but post generation did not have it. It was not transmitted by animals like birds or pork as they had always said
The theory about the bat which supposedly transmitted the Coronavirus is not completely true because there are some animals like cats and dogs who have their coronavirus, probably, that virus already existed in some humans, and the destruction of the ecosystem has produced the transmission of many diseases, in some places like in Peru they are protecting the bats because in some way they also protect the ecosystem
When I was a child I had all kinds of diseases and I survived all of them, and I am immune to a lot of diseases who can easily kill another human being, and also my mother and my father survived many others diseases, my only disease at the present time is that I am getting old, but I do not know if I have sufficient immunity for this new disease which probably already existed in some human beings
There are too many things to be discovered about the so-called new virus, and it is going to take time because governments are covering up many details, one thing that they do not mention is deforestation, and there is the possibility that the coronavirus can kill many natives from the jungles of Brasil
Nationalism asserts itself
Trump invoked the 1950 Defense Production Act giving the government “any or all authority” to stop 3M exporting N95 respirators to Canada and Latin America.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/us-blocks-face-masks-canada-n95-protection-equipment
And in the EU, protectionist restrictions over movement of health supplies may well put its unity at risk far more than Brexit.
Capitalists are in the middle of their contradictions, the original complain was that the USA was an importer nation instead of an exporter nation, and now they want to produce for internal consumption only. Why Donald Trump doesn’t invoke the DPA against the corporations that produce weapons such as Lockheed, Boeing, and Raytheon to produce medical equipments ?
Anybody know more about this?
“Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak ”
Patients saw the symptom of shortness of breath resolved within four to six hours after treatment. Dr. Zelenko said the whole treatment costs only $20 over a period of 5 days with 100% success.
This treatment is not completely safe,
What interests me is reading the various blog entries from previous posts concerning the coming “collapse” of CAPITALISM. Here and there over the past decade (since the emergence of Zeitgeist) it seems opinions similar to the SPGB are coming out if the woodwork. Seemingly out of nowhere.
I know the party has always argued that Capitalism will never actually collapse. But what of the arguments put across by Jehu Eaves from “The Real Movement” (who is this guy?) What would be the consensus here among you about his ideas which ZJW already highlighted here…
CoViD-19 and Capitalist Collapse: Answers to some questions about the present emergency
Also what would be your view of Paul Masons article included in an earlier post where he likens the present turmoil to the situation facing Feudalism after the Black Death?
The Socialist Party has never said that capitalism will never collapse, it has said that it will not collapse by itself until it stops producing profits, or the working class push it to collapse. Those are Leninists leftwingers and some of them support the sub consumption theory proven to be wrong too
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