Biden is President
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Democratic Socialists of America ( DSA) supporting the re election of Joe Biden
So those in control of the US state machine have decided to put a prominent leader of the opposition on trial on a political charge. This is the sort of thing that authoritarian regimes like Erdogan in Turkey and Putin in Russia do. And the left said Biden was the lesser evil.
“So those in control of the US state machine have decided to put a prominent leader of the opposition on trial on a political charge. This is the sort of thing that authoritarian regimes like Erdogan in Turkey and Putin in Russia do. And the left said Biden was the lesser evil.”
Is Biden in control of the judiciary?
That is why I changed “US government” in a first draft to “those in charge of the US state” but on further investigation I could have left the first draft.
The prosecution has been mounted by Jack Smith who was appointed by a member of the Biden administration, the Attorney General, as a Special Counsel with powers to prosecute Trump.
Here is the incriminating document:
https://www.justice.gov/d9/press-releases/attachments/2022/11/18/2022.11.18_order_5559-2022.pdf
I would add that I don’t think Biden is in control of anything and that he just signs and says (not without the occasional gaffe) what his officials tell him (though I imagine he is all in favour of prosecuting Trump). This is not the case with all or even most US Presidents but seems to be in his particular case.
The case of Donald Trump is similar to the case of Al Capone. If they accuse him of the real crimes that he committed they would be forced to take to court and jail other presidents including Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama , George Bush and Joe Biden and the other ones who are dead already, this legal pleading does not include all the crimes, as well, the impeachment did not include the real crimes. ( they call it the whole kitchen sink ) They just want to remove him because he is the only political challenger against Joe Biden, his popularity has not decreased too much despite all the three indictments, and probably a fourth one is coming pretty soon, and his supporters continue donating money for his legal defense and his political campaign. The black panthers were not so lucky.
This a conflict between sectors of the USA ruling class which does not concern to the USA working class, but as always they convince the worker to intervene in the economics affairs of their own rulers. Military secrets within the capitalist powers have always existed and the Bolsheviks published all the secrets alliance between the capitalist class, one man is in jail and was removed from an embassy ( violating international treaties respected by dictators ) because he published the military secrets of the capitalist class, but Trump and other have taken secretive military documents and they are living like king, but the poor workers that participated in the uprising on January most of them are in prison, even the ones that were taking pictures during that event. Several years ago there was an Internet made by bankers to remove Roosevelt and it failed, it was an intent for a palace coup, those type of coup can work on third countries, but they do not work on a limited bourgeoisie democracy like the USA.
The Judges assigned to his case was nominated by Barrack Obama and she has sent to jail several of the peoples that intervened in the January uprising which some leftist groups called a fascist coup, and the one who is presiding the case for the ‘secrets” documents was appointed by him, but for them the most important case is the last indictment which was the conclusion and the recommendation made by the house committee, and the one in George is also important for them because it is related to the voting process and violation of the voting rules, but the USA have violated the voting rules of many countries around the world. The UN should send electoral observer to the USA
PS Donald Trump said that he can kill a person in park avenue and he would not lose a voter
My last message went to Span again. Can the moderator bring it back again ? The Internal committee should correct this software flaw. WordPress is a lousy software. Again several political organizations are moving their forums to Groups IO which is a much better software design
Joe Biden is not in charge of the Judiciary committee, and he is not in charge of the sector of the capitalist class that is supporting him either.
The USA capitalists know what they want and what they are looking for, and they have more class consciousness than millions of US workers, and they know how to motivate the workers to support them.
It is easier for a magistrate in Argentina to send to jail a president than do the same thing in the USA, the VP of Argentina would be facing jail as soon as she finish her vice presidential period, and in some countries a new president is a new Congress, and the USA congress is like a nursing home
Hello Amamater, I don’t know what’s going on with your account or how to fix it. However your message posted to the forum at 17.55 today came through via email and I can see it hasn’t appeared on the actual website for some reason. You have requested that it’s ‘brought back again’ but unfortunately I don’t know how to do that. However here is your post, copied and pasted from the email:
“Almamater wrote:
The case of Donald Trump is similar to the case of Al Capone. If they accuse him of the real crimes that he committed they would be forced to take to court and jail other presidents including Bill Clinton, Barrack Obama , George Bush and Joe Biden and the other ones who are dead already, this legal pleading does not include all the crimes, as well, the impeachment did not include the real crimes. ( they call it the whole kitchen sink ) They just want to remove him because he is the only political challenger against Joe Biden, his popularity has not decreased too much despite all the three indictments, and probably a fourth one is coming pretty soon, and his supporters continue donating money for his legal defense and his political campaign. The black panthers were not so lucky.
This a conflict between sectors of the USA ruling class which does not concern to the USA working class, but as always they convince the worker to intervene in the economics affairs of their own rulers. Military secrets within the capitalist powers have always existed and the Bolsheviks published all the secrets alliance between the capitalist class, one man is in jail and was removed from an embassy ( violating international treaties respected by dictators ) because he published the military secrets of the capitalist class, but Trump and other have taken secretive military documents and they are living like king, but the poor workers that participated in the uprising on January most of them are in prison, even the ones that were taking pictures during that event.
PS Donald Trump said that he can kill a person in park avenue and he would not lose a voter“
Kind regards
PaulaI can not edit it should say that there was coup intent from bankers
Ok, I know that Trump is a horrible person with obnoxious views but there’s a point of principle involved here — it is not democratic to prosecute an opposition politician with a view to maintaining the ruling party in power. As for instance in Pakistan:
Is the Biden regime trying to do anything different?
Is the Biden regime trying to do anything different?
Yes, there’s no comparison and it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
The twice-impeached, now three times indicted ex-president’s appearance in a criminal court – his third since April – comes just days after a Washington DC grand jury charged him with three criminal conspiracies and obstruction in connection with his attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.
In a poetic twist of fate, Trump’s latest arraignment brought him to the exact same courthouse where hundreds of people have already been tried, convicted and sentenced to terms in prison as long as 18 years for charges in connection with the events which occurred on January 6, 2021.
And that’s not counting all the other numerous charges and investigations, including the 37 charges related to his handling of classified documents, including national defence information, after leaving the White House.
Yes, I could be wrong. The “Democrats” strategy could be not to prevent Trump
standing for president again but to ensure that the Republicans choose him again as their candidate — who Biden can be expected to easily defeat.In any event, leaving aside the charges of sexual and financial irregularities, to charge someone with refusing to accept the result of an election is a political and politically-motivated charge. And that’s the sort of thing they do in the rest of the Americas. Look what happened to Lula and Rousseff in Brazil. Was that democratic?
I am talking about a political practice that goes against the principles of political democracy.
In any event, leaving aside the charges of sexual and financial irregularities, to charge someone with refusing to accept the result of an election is a political and politically-motivated charge.
Trump’s not been charged with refusing to accept the result of an election but for his attempts to overturn an election.
He pursued an unprecedented campaign to overturn the 2020 election with support and assistance from his campaign, proxies, political allies, and many of his supporters. These efforts culminated in the January 6 Capitol attack by Trump supporters.
Trump and his allies used the big lie propaganda technique to promote numerous false claims and conspiracy theories asserting that the election was stolen by means of rigged voting machines, electoral fraud and an international communist conspiracy.
Trump pressed Justice Department leaders to challenge the election results and publicly state the election was corrupt. However, the U.S. attorney general, the director of National Intelligence, and the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency – as well as some Trump campaign staff – dismissed these claims. State and federal judges, election officials, and state governors also decided the claims were baseless.
Trump and his allies encouraged state officials to throw out legally cast ballots, challenge vote-certification processes, and overturn certified election results. In an early January 2021 phone call, he pressed the Georgia secretary of state to find the 11,780 votes needed to secure his victory in the state. He repeatedly urged Georgia Governor Brian Kemp to convene a special session of the legislature to overturn Biden’s certified victory in the state, and he made a similar plea to the Pennsylvania Speaker of the House. On a conference call, he asked 300 Republican state legislators to seek ways to reverse certified election results in their states. Republican officials in seven states, directed by Trump’s personal attorney, created fraudulent electoral certificates of ascertainment to falsely assert Trump had been reelected.
It is these practices that overwhelmingly go against the principles of political democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election
ALB(#245672)says: “… there’s a point of principle involved here — it is not democratic to prosecute an opposition politician with a view to maintaining the ruling party in power. As for instance in Pakistan. Is the Biden regime trying to do anything different?”
To which Lizzie45 says: “Yes, there’s no comparison and it’s ridiculous to suggest otherwise.”
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Absolutely. Where is the evidence that Biden and/or the Federal prosecutors have pursued Trump in order to maintain the ruling party in power? I thought that Trump is being pursued because of his efforts to overturn the result of the 2020 election. The evidence for that seems incontrovertible – though still to be tested in open court. And even if we assume that Biden and the Federal prosecutors believe that a Trump conviction will improve Biden’s chances of victory in the Presidential elections in 2024, that has no bearing at all on the case against Trump, unless of course you believe that the judicial system in the US is utterly corrupt, which is probably how Almamater sees it given that he likens Trump’s case to that of Al Capone.So how is it possible to believe that prosecuting Trump is in breach of a (democratic) principle as ALB alleges? It might be a breach of a democratic principle if Biden and the Federal prosecutor pursued Trump while knowing the evidence against him was false. But the opposite is surely the case. I think the only democratic principle in evidence here is the principle that everyone is equal under the law and that even a US President can be held accountable. I would have thought that socialists would want to support that principle given the importance they rightly attach to democratic processes.
ALB (#245632) likens the pursuit of Trump by the “US State machine” to “the sort of thing that authoritarian regimes do, like Erdogan in Turkey and Putin in Russia”. It is beyond belief that anyone would compare Putin’s pursuit of opposition leaders in Russia with the US State pursuit of Trump. Emphatically so in light of the very recent news that Alexei Navalny has just been sentenced in a closed court to an additional 19 years in a penal colony on charges of “extremism” and “rehabilitating Nazism”. Here we have a genuine case of a political leader putting a prominent leader of the opposition on trial on a political charge based on false evidence. I’d like to think, ALB, that you made an inadvertent error when you likened ex- KGB Putin to the US Federal prosecutors!
PS: I’ve just read the two preceding posts, from ALB and Lizzie45. I agree with Lizzie45 and do not wish to change what I have written above.Those are how the charges are presented and that’s the counter-argument but, given that politics in the US is utterly corrupt and anything goes, I don’t for one moment believe in the sincerity of the “Democrats”. They have found a stick to beat an opponent and are using it for all its worth.
Ok forget the Russia comparison (but see below) but you don’t see any parallel with the treatment of Lula and Rousseff in Brazil?
As to Navalny, the US has an almost exactly parallel case in the prosecution of the leaders of the “African People’s Socialist Party” for being foreign agents and spreading misinformation:
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