Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic

March 2024 Forums General discussion Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic

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  • #248130
    Almamater
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/will-israel-hamas-gaza-conflict-spark-wider-war-united-states-rcna122991

    Will the Israeli-Hamas conflict spark a wider regional war, pulling in the U.S.?
    Much will depend on whether Iran’s well-armed Lebanese proxy, Hezbollah, launches a full-scale assault on Israel from the north.

    #248131

    We do need some perspective, what is happening is Gaza now is what happened in Aleppo, Mosul, Fallujah (each city, admittedly, less densely populated than Gaza city, but still with horrific civilian death tolls. 23,000 civilians died in the battle of Aleppo.

    For several reasons, Palestine draws more attention than these horrors, but is in principle no different, a part and parcel of the ongoing capitalist world war. The interest of various ruling groups calls on us to pay attention to what is happening in Gaza, but equally horrifying wars are being fought in Tigray, Yemen, Ukraine (and other places, I’m sure, if I put the time into finding them all).

    But the horrors of the siege of Gaza pale compared to the war that is waged through poverty, 9 million die every year from hunger (and that isn’t an overnight death, it’s a long slow process of being exposed to hunger). That’s about 25,000 every day.

    #248143
    robbo203
    Participant

    Does anyone know anything about this – what appears to be proposed legislation in France criminalizing anti-zionist (that is, opposition to Israeli nationalism) sentiments under the deceitful pretence that is somehow anti-semitic (that is, a form of racism)?

    If it is what it appears to be that is quite alarming. It could set a precedent…

    French Senate proposes law making anti-Zionism a criminal offence with up to 5 years jail

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 4 weeks ago by robbo203.
    #248146
    Twiglet
    Participant

    Against the worrying tide of content that has flooded this thread in recent times, which is indistinguishable from the output of the Trot and other natlib-endorsing ‘left’ (some of it, sadly, emanating from Party members) Those who retain and do not deviate from a class focus are to be applauded. YMS’s post on ‘perspective’ is a clear and concise example of this distinct latter attitude . The only Enemy is the class Enemy.

    As Almamater rightfully stated, too:

    The socialist party must denounce the horrors of wars on both sides of any conflict, but the socialist party should not take sides with any capitalist group, Hamas does not represent the Palestinian workers and poor peoples as well the Israeli government does not represent the workers and the poor of Israel.

    #248147
    Twiglet
    Participant

    Intersectional Nightmare on Liverpool Street
    The ‘Joint struggle bloc’…struggling for the right to smoke more…

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a2f3cdf0-79aa-11ee-86e8-a42a2179af55?shareToken=fdea40145dd385cb40a714a7cc7bf4a8

    #248150
    twc
    Participant

    Here is the Juice Media’s take on Israel & Gaza…

    1. Impotence of capitalist rights to life, liberty and property to solve international contradictions:
    2. Impotence of international capitalist law to prevent war, and its concomitant civilian targeting, civilian hostages, and national occupation.

    As Marx (Capital Vol. 1) pointed out in the class struggle over the limits of the working day

      There is here, therefore, an antinomy, right against right, both equally bearing the seal of the law of exchanges. Between equal rights force decides.

    Unfortunately the Juice Media, who are superb exposers of capitalist “shit-fuckery”, consider that nationalist propaganda disseminated by nationalist government and media “has been the cause of every major war this century”.

    But nationalist propaganda is not a “bug” but a “feature” of capitalism. The root cause is the capitalist mode of production itself. Socialism is, as for all pressing social problems under capitalism, the only viable solution.

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    #248155
    Lizzie45
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    #248169
    Lizzie45
    Participant

    The rabbi of the Israeli army’s Nahal Brigade training base, Amichai Friedman, told soldiers that the Israeli public understands that “This is our country. All of it. Including Gaza, including Lebanon, the entire Promised Land.”

    The rabbi explains the essence of Zionism very clearly and without equivocation: Gaza and Lebanon are lands to be ethnically cleansed so that the ‘chosen’ people can claim them as their own. Zionism is Fascism.

    #248170
    ALB
    Keymaster

    After Mad Mullahs now Rabid Rabbis.

    “According to Genesis 15:18 and Joshua 1:4, the land God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile River in Egypt to Lebanon (south to north) and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (west to east). On today’s map, the land God has stated belongs to Israel includes everything modern-day Israel possesses, plus all of the territory occupied by the Palestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus all of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.”

    I don’t think the Jewish tribal god has enough battalions to enforce that. But it puts “from the river to the sea” in the shade.

    Will the government now ban as racist, insulting and provocative, those who proclaim “from the sea to the river . . . Euphrates” ?

    #248177
    robbo203
    Participant

    Some background context

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/amid-ongoing-war-bp-and-eni-among-firms-awarded-gas-exploration-licenses-in-israel/

    Massive Oil and Gas Reserves Discovered Under Gaza – Israel Grants Development Licenses

    Perhaps that helps to explain Israel´s apparent attempt to ethnically cleanse Gaza which some Israeli politicians are calling for – at least according to this guy

    https://kurtnimmo.substack.com/p/gaza-ceasefire?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    #248183
    Almamater
    Participant

    Both sides have known about the existence of gas in that region for many years and both side have tried to keep it, it is not new. Some soil researchers have discovered oil and gas in Haiti

    #248194
    ALB
    Keymaster

    Just to let you know that Party members and sympathisers plan to distribute the famous leaflet at the demonstration planned for Saturday 11 November. It’s from Hyde Park to the new US embassy the other side of the river in Vauxhall.

    Leaflets can be collected from 10.30 onwards from our premises at 52 Clapham High street, SW4 7UN (2 tube stops from Vauxhall).

    Further details later under “World Socialist Movement”.

    https://palestinecampaign.org/events/national-march-for-palestine-ceasefire-now-november-11/

    #248195
    KAZ
    Participant

    Just to let you know that Party members and sympathisers plan to distribute the famous leaflet at the demonstration planned for Saturday 11 November. It’s from Hyde Park to the new US embassy the other side of the river in Vauxhall.

    Leaflets can be collected from 10.30 onwards from our premises at 52 Clapham High street, SW4 7UN (2 tube stops from Vauxhall).

    Further details later under “World Socialist Movement”.

    https://palestinecampaign.org/events/national-march-for-palestine-ceasefire-now-november-11/

    vauxhall? ain’t that where the spies is? is this some sort of redoubt in the making? the new hitler’s bunker. anyway, good luck with the leafleting.

    #248199
    james19
    Participant

    Following on from above..this from my X Twitter feed.

    Something in this?

    • This reply was modified 3 months, 3 weeks ago by james19.
    #248202
    ALB
    Keymaster

    That passage from Antonio Domene about “Knowing the Zionists’ greed for power and money” seems rather anti-semitic. Why single out the Jewish nationalists (Zionists) for this when it applies to all capitalist states? It sounds as if he means “knowing the Jews’ greed for power and money”. Which is definitely anti-semitic.

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