Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic

August 2020 Forums General discussion Anti-Zionism is not anti-semitic

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    Anonymous
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    Israel plays the Holocaust card yet againhttps://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-israel-holocaust-syria/netanyahu-uses-holocaust-event-to-urge-action-against-syria-iran-idUKKBN1HI31S

    What about the Holocaust of the African and the Natives of the Americas ?  How about the 32 millions of Russian that died in WWII ? 

    #132475
    alanjjohnstone
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_IndustryFinkelstein has demolished the Zionist propaganda use of the Holocaust. There are numerous videos of his lectures on You Tube.

    #132476
    alanjjohnstone
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    http://www.france24.com/en/20180504-sophian-aubin-maghreb-arabic-arabs-islam-jews-sepharadic-identity-tunisia-moroccoTwo widely held misconceptions persist about Jews from the Maghreb. The first is the belief that they are somehow alien to the region, almost like the European colonisers who arrived in the 19th century. Yet Jewish communities have been present in North Africa for hundreds of years. Their first recorded presence in the region dates back to the second century, at least 500 years before the Arab conquerors began their rapid outward expansion. But as more and more land came under Arab control, the Jews in the Maghreb, like other Berber groups indigenous to the region, gradually began to assimilate the Arabic language, without ever abandoning their Jewish faith. This happened across North Africa, in a process known as 'Arabisation'.The other is the idea that many Jews continue to live there. In Algeria, although precise figures are impossible to obtain, the Jewish population is all but extinct. In Tunisia, which was once home to a thriving community of around 100,000 Jews back in 1956, only 1,300 remain. As for Morocco, it may well shelter the biggest Jewish community in the Arab world, but it too has witnessed a mass exodus. Only 3,000 still live in the kingdom today.Zacharie recalls how presenting himself as a Tunisian Jew aroused a sort of kindness, and even fascination, amongst Tunisian Muslims. He adds that it was Muslims friends, more than Jews, who were the first to call him Tunisian: "When I explained to them that my father was Tunisian, the Muslims replied without hesitating: 'that settles it, you're Tunisian, and here you can feel at home.' "In the Maghreb, the ties that bind Jews and Arabs became so deeply entrenched that Arabic itself was used during Jewish ceremonies. According to a historical record dating from the 1940s, a Jew living in Fez, Morocco, explained how during religious celebrations, Jewish prayers in Hebrew were translated into Arabic, so that local Jews could actually understand them. What's more, in the Jewish liturgy in Morocco, the most sacred reference to God himself is made by saying 'Allah'.Full article herehttp://www.france24.com/en/20180504-sophian-aubin-maghreb-arabic-arabs-islam-jews-sepharadic-identity-tunisia-morocco

    #132477
    alanjjohnstone
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    The vilification of Corbyn continues and the mud is sticking as two-thirds of voters consider Labour is anti-semitic.Luciana Berger's had an on-line harasser jailed who was not some Leftist but a psychiatric case. Another was a drunk. Others jailed for sending her abusive anti-semitic emails had been from the Neo-Nazi Right-wing. Only one according to Wiki is traced to a left source and that is after she sided with the anti-CorbynistsBerger was a member of Labour Friends of Israel but resigned and the Jewish Chronicle criticised Berger for forsaking her Zionism for career advancement. Is she now jumping on the anti-semitic bandwagon for the same purpose?Am i being anti-semitic for accusing her of climbing the greasy pole?

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    alanjjohnstone
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    An interesting article on Haifa, the most integrated Israeli city.https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/apr/19/haifa-is-essentially-segregated-cracks-appear-in-israels-capital-of-coexistence “In Haifa it’s not hate, but there’s not too much love either,” is the stark conclusion of Omer Shaffer, a Jewish Technion postgraduate. “It’s pretty indifferent. We’ve found a way to ignore each other without killing each other.”This reflects a sentiment i once heard expressed by Amos Oz, the Israeli writer, decades ago…"You don't need to love your neighbour…but just get on with him"

    #132479
    jondwhite
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    alanjjohnstone wrote:
    The vilification of Corbyn continues and the mud is sticking as two-thirds of voters consider Labour is anti-semitic.Luciana Berger's had an on-line harasser jailed who was not some Leftist but a psychiatric case. Another was a drunk. Others jailed for sending her abusive anti-semitic emails had been from the Neo-Nazi Right-wing. Only one according to Wiki is traced to a left source and that is after she sided with the anti-CorbynistsBerger was a member of Labour Friends of Israel but resigned and the Jewish Chronicle criticised Berger for forsaking her Zionism for career advancement. Is she now jumping on the anti-semitic bandwagon for the same purpose?Am i being anti-semitic for accusing her of climbing the greasy pole?

    Berger was not just a member of Labour Friends of Israel, but the chair.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247403/Labour-war-Blair-sons-glamorous-friend-chosen-safe-seat.htmlShe was also first selected as candidate in 2010, having stayed at the home of the then-incumbent MP, Jane Kennedy, who was also her predecessor as chair of Labour Friends of Israel.http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/02/05/royle-family-star-ricky-tomlinson-could-run-for-parliament-in-liverpool-wavertree-100252-25766877/I don't know if she is a Zionist now, but it ought to be pretty clear, she was certainly prepared to be associated with Zionism when it suited her as an aspiring MP. As for anti-semitism, she has reported being the victim of this back in 2005.

    #132480
    alanjjohnstone
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    Worth a readhttps://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1199/both-sides-of-the-fence/

    #132481
    alanjjohnstone
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    Not sure if it has been sourced but here is an article offering details supporting Ken Livingston's position. He is an ex-GDR pro-Palestinian journalist, not quite the trained historian.https://mounadil.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/thesecretcontacts-zionismandnazigermany1933-1941-journal-of-palestine-studies-polkehn-klaus-vol-5-no-3-4-1976-pp-54-82_text-1.pdfI also came across this article mentioning the pro-Nazi 'Union of National-German Jews' which was for assimilation and anti-Zionism but which was outlawedhttps://www.marxists.org/subject/jewish/nm-anti-semitism.pdf

    #132482
    alanjjohnstone
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    Never really read up on the topic of Bundism until now.Nationhood without statehood, neither Zionism or Assimilation https://www.marxists.org/subject/jewish/scherer-bund.pdf

    #132483
    alanjjohnstone
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    Jews make allegations about antisemitism for their political or personal benefit is, in fact, one of the oldest antisemitic tropes there is.

    I was struck by this statement because i have countless times heard it said that blacks and Asians play the anti-racism card at work and elsewhere…https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/apr/21/people-dont-know-about-the-holocaust-they-dont-care

    #132484
    alanjjohnstone
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    http://www.france24.com/en/20180422-france-politicians-celebrities-condemn-new-anti-semitism"French Jews are 25 times more at risk of being attacked than their fellow Muslim citizens," according to the manifesto. It added that some 50,000 Jews had been "forced to move because they were no longer in safety in certain cities and because their children could no longer go to school".

    #132485
    alanjjohnstone
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    "Jewish groups are boycotting a separate round table organised by Mr Corbyn on Wednesday amid concerns about the inclusion of the pro-Corbyn group Jewish Voice for Labour."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43868922Note that JVL are not seen as a legitimate Jewish group, that it isn't objected to because it is anti-zionist but pro-Corbyn. 

    #132486
    alanjjohnstone
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    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-43887223"Words in letters and newspaper articles will never be enough. We welcome the fact that Mr Corbyn's words have changed but it is action by which the Jewish community will judge him and the Labour Party…Adopt in full the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of anti-Semitism""Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to: Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor."https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/press_release_document_antisemitism.pdfWe should all turn ourselves over to the police right now, comrades, for according to this statement, we are indeed anti-semitic.

    #132487
    alanjjohnstone
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    The head of Germany’s Central Council of Muslims has said anti-Semitism is sinful and must be tackled.Hatred and abuse of Jewish people are against the tenets of Islam, the president of Germany's Central Council of Muslims, Aiman Mazyek, said, adding that the Muslim community had work to do in tackling the problem.  "Anti-Semitism, racism and hatred are great sins in Islam, therefore we will also never tolerate that…We take it very seriously that there is anti-Semitism present among some refugees," Mazyek told the Düsseldorf-based newspaper. He added that the Central Council was organizing meetings between Jews and refugees, and that it was running educational programs that included visits to memorial sites at former concentration camps.http://www.dw.com/en/german-muslim-leader-says-anti-semitism-is-a-sin/a-43506121

    #132488
    alanjjohnstone
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    It appears that Albert Einstein could possibly be accused of anti-semitism under this definition that is being imposed"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."

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    Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties.

    https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948Begin became prime minister of Israel 1977-83

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