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OK, on whose terms do we interact? With the Celeb on their terms if we happen to attract their attention, or our own terms, when they come to us?
Vin wrote:tell that to Ed Milliband!Would you have felt the same way had Brand said: "I suggest you have a look at the SPGB, No leaders and they stand for revolution. Have a look at the Socialist Standard."Yes, and my inherent distrust would be even greater at that point. We only have to look at what happened to the SSP and Tommy Sheridan to see where celebrity driven politics gets us.Up until the point he joined the party, I'd distrust, and then I'd have doubts about using him as a speaker.
Quote:I don't think we should shy away from getting the socialist message across by any means possible. You can't make an omlet without breaking eggs. I don't see celebrity or fame negatively in that way. Famous people are no worse than myself, Why should we dismiss them?The point isn't the celebrity, it's the chasing after them. If they come to us, fine. If they publicly back us, fine, thanks for your support. But chasing after hem saying "Me! Me! Look at me!"…
I think the lesson is be wary of celebs and remember the importance of the party as a tool of clarity and control: we control our collective message, we can't control celebrities.We should welcome anyone who contributes to consensus breaking, and whose words and topics give us an 'in' into conversation. That's it.A late member, as an aside, used to know JP getty,. the billionaire, and send him socialist literature. That didn't do any good neither.
I did say
Quote:The cry of "The footballers are paid too much" is the cry of management.I didn't say it was workers against management, but the cry of management is a cry in the interest of the owners…
No reason we can't do both: we get through more in person, but we have had online special meetings before (which worked quite well).
Indeed, but that £2 million from Sky isn't amateur, and the gates at the all ireland finals are huge, and some of the poor buggers are signing on the next day. Sky is making a killing off the commons of amateur sport.The NHS would have to pay for a lot more chronic ailments if some of us weren't egg chasing in the park (and we have to pay to play!).Whilst amteurism may seem more in line with our ethos, it was the professional codes, soccer and rugby league that had historically the support of the working class.Anyway, I for one am glad when one of our own escapes and makes good — Wayne Rooney wants to screw another couple of Mill from the Glazers? Good on you, lad. We start letting them split us agint the footballers, next its the doctors, the IT operators, anyone who isn't paid a pittance. The cry of "The footballers are paid too much" is the cry of management.So, Jimmy Hill, working class hero.
I've always assunmed there would be some sort of post-mortem, either a special delegate meeting or an out reach dept. meeting advertised to members.There'll be a lot to discuss, but much depends of what actually happens.
More to the point, surely we should be on the side of the proletarian footballers agains the management? Up with the football wage bill!
A quick exchange between me and someone who wants my CV:
Quote:I'm not applying, the Party is, so you can our CV at: http://spgb.net/nnYou're absolutely right that Cuba is basically a gangster dictatorship. You cannot have socialism unless and until the vast majority of people want to do it. That's why we refuse to be leaders, or "try and seize power" or any of that nonsense.Since capitalism exists worldwide it can only be abolished worldwide, and countries such as Russia, China and Cuba have only ever succeeded in creating a local variation on capitalism called state-capitalism, where the government does the exploiting.What we know, though, is that humans have lived in many different systems of society, and capitalism isn't the only way we can organise. We co-operate daily within our workplaces, we don't charge colleagues for every act we perform, and we can extend that into a worldwide system of co-operation.Regards,Bill Martin.Elector wrote:Thanks for your email. You are effectively apply for a job. So surely its reasonable as "the employeer" that I know what I’m electing and if the candidate has a suitable background and education to represent us. That said, you do seem to be rather radical. Can you give any examples of where capitalism has been abolished and a socialist system has worked. We were recently in Cuba and while it is the only sustainable country on the planet with a great health system (relatively), the people there are all equally poor, food is terrible, every tenth person works for the secret police, and everyone we could speak to privates dreamed of getting out or seeing a change in government.Ah, and here's Lambeth:https://twitter.com/Biltawulf/status/593846244201607168
Adam, already seen the Islington paper:https://twitter.com/tim_nicholls/status/592362616355495936/photo/1And had a nice chat about why I think such tweets are inadvisable.
Actually, an 8th: Lifelong Learning, Blackstock Road N4 2DG this Thursday 30 April 2.45 – 4.00. Adutl ed. FE college,
Hmm, speaking of personal styles. I just sent this reply, without mentioning that Soccer is obviously an inferorir football code. oh, the discipline of being a party candidte:
Quote:The Socialist Party is campaigning for the creation of a society based on common ownership of the wealth of the world, so that it can be directly administered in all our interests, rather than in the interest of the minority who currently own it. this would mean an end to buying and selling, and production for needs, not for sale and profit. The issue your campaign highlights, of the obligation of directors to shareholders over fans, neatly illustrates the problem of class ownership of wealth. The pleasure of football becomes a simple means to capitalist ends so long as the market remains.As the vast sums of television money show, football fans are part of the product, as capitalist firms make extra profits through showing the sport and advertising to football fans. With common ownership of the wealth of the world, we would see an end to money dominating sport, and simple organisation for pleasure of the game as an end in itself. If our delegates find themselves serving as a minority in a parliament dominated by pro-capitalist parties, our membership will instruct them to vote (after a democratic debate) in the best interests of the working class. Regards, Bill Martin (Socialist Party Candidate, Islington North)Quote:As a Manchester United fan and a voter in the Islington North constituency, before I vote on May 7th I would like to know whether you will support legislation to reform football governance? We believe legislative changes are necessary as outlined here: http://www.votefootball.org/proposal Your response to the question below may impact decisively on my voting intentions: Will you personally, and your party generally, support new legislation as outlined in the above link? Yours sincerelyI like how both our candidates answered differently, and both correctly within party policy. It's good we have some some for style and personal presentation.
Lo All,should have sent this yesterday, this is the response we got to our complaint about leaflet dumping:
Quote:The delivery officer, whose postal route includes the specified address, has confirmed that the mail was delivered into the individual post boxes for the tenants at the block of flats. The delivery officer has advised also that tenants often deposit unaddressed mail, originally delivered into the boxes, either on top of the post boxes, or on the floor around them.
