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We're not allowed to, you have to declare:

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I support the aims and values of the Labour Party, and I am not a supporter of any organisation opposed to it.

Never mind out own rule 6.  Personally, I think he'd be Harold Wilson warmed up, which just shows where the Labour Party has moved…

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Anyone at tolpuddle for this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ8nO1n1YVg&feature=youtu.be(Jeremy Corbyn MP Speaks at Tolpuddle Festival 2015)

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I think his schtick is to look at the way capitalism emerged from feudalism, and see parrallels.  I'd imagine a feudal lord looking at the merchants coraaled in their cities would have felt themselves entirely safe from their 'buying and selling', how can that compete with 'patronage and obligation'?From what i'm hearing, this is in some ways what I've been looking into: price without value (or practically zero value) sucking up the surplus cvalue, with an increasingly diminishing directly productive workforce.  You're right, that, ultimately, I think b ig capital and its political clout will out (as seen in the slapping Uber and AirBNB have been getting), I suppose in Mason's terms, that just sets up the political battlefield for where he's going.But, a tech aware, multi-skilled organisationally alert citizenry is needful for socialisation of production, so there may be a germ of use in there…Mason hinmself retweeted this critique:

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If I have to read another article where the "sharing economy" is said to have democratized wealth distribution I will hire an Uber to run me over.

http://www.metafilter.com/151310/Project-Zero

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Well, he seems to now be leading the constituency nominations, which given the four way split on first preferences, means he's transferring well…My guess is that far from purging the party, as some noises have been saying, he'd work to conciliate and end up a figurehead, possibly even leave the deputy to run the party while he takes up full time campaigning?  It wouldn't be earth shattering, maybe earth wobbling..

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LBird wrote:

Is that 'bourgeois logic' or 'True Logic, as given to us by God himself'?Back to the playpen, YMS.

Logic you are unable to refute, and which seems to have reduced you to bluster.

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You play with your 'logic' and 'words',

Logic you are unable to refute.  To retiterate, if the only way to know the validity of a ruth claim is to vote on it, how can we know the result of the vote?

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Lbird, have done.  So, bourgeois science throew off the shackles of feudal superstition, and cleared the way for us to understand the world clearly, and it is the job of socialism to put that understanding to use.  Cheers, glad to know I was right all along.

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Truth can be elected, and thus the good life for humans can be established, by active humans employing social theory and practice.

This is demonstrably untrue.A) A truth claim can only be verified by a vote. The polity votes on the truth claim.C) The result of the vote is itself a truth claim.D) The result of the vote can only be discovered by a further vote.

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LBird wrote:

So, it's not 'materialism', then?

hmm, "true materialism" would seem to be a species of materialism; and "naturalism" is also considered (in some forms) a species of materialism… could be materialism…

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Here we see how consistent naturalism or humanism is distinct from both idealism and materialism, and constitutes at the same time the unifying truth of both.

Shirley, you should be calling the theory naturalism, or humanism, since those are the terms Chucky expressly uses in the above. In the same text, Chaz also praises Feurbach for :

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The establishment of true materialism and of real science, by making the social relationship of “man to man” the basic principle of the theory

so instead of idealism-materialism, maybe we should use Marx' own word: true materialism?

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Of course, there are options within the realm of the possible:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/01/99/1968_secret_history/244316.stmI imagine something like the above is sitting in the Greek civil service (such as it is): I'm aware that there has been no official contingency planning for a new currency, but I'd imagine somone has looked at rationing, currency controls, seige economy and the like.  As the above article suggests, it's politically explosive, but Greece is sufficiently close to disaster that something lik that could work (in fact, strict capital controls and rationing would probably work better, IMNSHO, than a new fiat currency).

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Of course, this publicity would have been much worse if we'd accepted a freebie off a businessman, would have made it harder to rebutt with the line that it's all paid for with workers donations… Also shows if we do set up an investment vehicle we are going to have to be very careful with it…

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 https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/164A good rebuttal to armchair warriors:

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Seen as a sort of Helm's Deep, this defeat for the Greeks is monumental, irredeemable. It is the "all is lost" moment. Seen as one opening battle in much larger war, it is hugely valuable. It has drawn the enemy out into the fore, exposed its strengths and weaknesses. It has provided intelligence to others, in Spain and Portugal and Italy, which will ensure they're better prepared. It has been bravely fought. And smartly, because Greece gets to live to fight another day.

Frankly, I reckon they should start by formally altering the Greek flag to write:

εκδίκηση

Across it, so that flies above all the EU meetings like a menace.
tsipras has the best deal that can be achieved through negotiations.
Greece has no strike threat, or stick to wield to get a better deal.
 

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Oh, and at least one nice tweet: https://twitter.com/bevclack/status/620851529671680000

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Quick back of a fag packet maths suggests that £1.3 million can be arrived at as about £3 per month for an average of 300 members over 110 years, so actually, not all that much.  Maybe we need to work that into our rebuttals.  

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