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Young Master Smeet
Moderatorhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/11/jeremy-corbyn-close-deficit-poor-labour-economy?CMP=share_btn_twJohn McDonnel joins the fray, in quite a clever article.
Quote:So alongside deficit elimination, the Corbyn campaign is advocating a fundamental reform of our economic system. This will include the introduction of an effective regulatory regime for our banks and financial sector; a full-blown Glass-Steagall system to separate day-to-day and investment banking; legislation to replace short-term shareholder value with long-term sustainable economic and social responsibilities as the prime objective of companies; radical reform of the failed auditing regime; the extension of a wider range of forms of company and enterprise ownership and control including public, co-operative and stakeholder ownership; and the introduction of a financial transactions tax to fund the rebalancing of our economy towards production and manufacturing.I've bolded what I think is the most interesting, and most unrealistic bit: it's better than nationalisation, but impossible in a world of multinational companies and the drive to make profits, some firms will be more profitable than otehrs, that can't be stopped, and firms must compete for capital and labour.
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ModeratorHere are the current odds at the bookies:http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leaderAlthough William Hill on their live site are offfering 1/16 (it was 1/15 when I started writing this, that's how things are moving).
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ModeratorAh, here we go, this is what I heard, he basically trolled the GOP debate: could you get more 21st century?http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1409563
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ModeratorActually, Sander's twitter feeds make pretty good viewing:https://twitter.com/SenSandershttps://twitter.com/BernieSandersYes, not our politics, but, hell, from the US it's pretty out there (from their mainstream, never mind ours).OK, he talks about the "billionaire class" but, that's actually quite clever. Think I may steal that.
August 10, 2015 at 1:45 pm in reply to: Jeremy Corbyn has said Labour could restore its historic commitment to public ownership of industry – known as Clause IV – if he #113456Young Master Smeet
ModeratorIneresting, the IWC material appears to be available (badly scanned) here:http://www.socialistrenewal.net/node/121
August 10, 2015 at 10:10 am in reply to: Jeremy Corbyn has said Labour could restore its historic commitment to public ownership of industry – known as Clause IV – if he #113454Young Master Smeet
ModeratorI think it's more Ken Coates and the institute of workers control…
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ModeratorYes, it's economic bunkum : although increased population would suggest that it wuld decrease GDP pr capita,inward migration has a positive effect on GDP (more work gets done), and productivity growth should do the rest…
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ModeratorAlthough there was an element of squeze in th election campaign against Corbyn, at leat the discussion was broadly critical of capitalism, and what to do about it — naturally, it was difficult to find space on a crowded platform to put our differences across (though I think I managed it on most occaisions): admittedly, by proclaiming that we want to abolish the NHS(!). But it would be better to be attacking a Labour party for the poverty of it's ambition, rather than them making a proud point of the poverty of their ambitions.
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Moderatorhttp://www.islingtontribune.com/letters/2015/aug/letters-passage-marx-jeremy-missedWell, I suppose I had to do it…
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ModeratorShort of time, but Mason has published an interest supplementary essay:https://medium.com/@paulmasonnews/neoliberalism-system-first-ideology-changeable-2f0ade2aabcf
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ModeratorI'm not sure the party agrees with those goals, and they are tied intimately to his methods, to promote the trends within capitalism towards its own supercession. Our method is to elminate the character of value altogether, by elminating the wages system. his goals are to take he wages system to its own breaking point: in that light his policy suggestions are eminently sensible, from what I can see. Our objectins are strategic, in considering the conscious abolition of capitalism as the best route, rather than working with the flow of it. That doesn't invalidate his analysis, nor mean that somethign of what he proposes may come about as 'natural solutions to problems'.
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ModeratorQuote:Helpfully, Mason closes his book with prescriptions – which he will be happy to see “torn apart and revised by the wisdom of angry crowds” – under the title of “Project Zero”. This refers to three overall objectives:a zero-carbon energy systemthe production of machines, products and services with “zero marginal costs” (ie, too cheap and plentiful to price)and the reduction of necessary labour time as close as possible to zeroOK, broad themese, but seems a bit different to the take down desribed above.
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Moderatorhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11768136/Saudi-Arabia-may-go-broke-before-the-US-oil-industry-buckles.htmlThis is quite extraordinary, the Suadis may well be fubarred.
Quote:OPEC now faces a permanent headwind. Each rise in price will be capped by a surge in US output. The only constraint is the scale of US reserves that can be extracted at mid-cost, and these may be bigger than originally supposed, not to mention the parallel possibilities in Argentina and Australia, or the possibility for "clean fracking" in China as plasma pulse technology cuts water needs.Saudi needs oil to hit $106 but currently it can't get it above $55: the US has the technology for shale and fracking, and ity can be turned on and off quickly.
Quote:Saudi Arabia is effectively beached. It relies on oil for 90pc of its budget revenues. There is no other industry to speak of, a full fifty years after the oil bonanza began.So, whilst the low hanging fruit has been picked, new technology has come along meaning we can easily reach the hard to get oil: the market is speeding up the extraction of the hydrocarbons we need to stay in the ground to see of AGW.
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ModeratorI think this shows the importance of value theory, it's not some bolt on (as I beleive Sraffa argued) to the socialist case. If there is no value beyond price, and "what people are willing to pay" then this plan for mass government fraud is fine, if, however, we ask "how is that money going to gain value", then we force the discussion to where value is in the economy, and how it is created by real work. Issuing valueless currency (essentially what is being argued for) merely will change the denomination of the value of wealth in the economy, not the amoun of wealth: the only (capitalist) justification for this policy would be overcoming and investment log-jam, to restart accumulation. This could be done with tax, but people are allergic to that name, so inflation is used as backdoor taxation on future wealth.
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ModeratorAh, all becomes clearer, here's what Murphy said when I asked him about it:http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/08/03/chris-leslie-has-got-corbynomics-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-730618
Quote:The local authority issues a loan and gets cashThe bank buys itThe bank sells it to the BoEThe local authority now owes the BoEThe bank makes a margin on buying and selling – effectively an under-writing fee imposed by EU regulationThe BoE can charge interest or not – it’s circular thenYou forgot the bank has to buy the debt(I've edited slightly to remove an obvious typo). So, effectively, this gives local authorities the power to print money (ahem).
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