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Holbach. Scroll to chap. XI.
http://knarf.english.upenn.edu/PShelley/mabnotes.html
P.B. Shelley.
http://knarf.english.upenn.edu/Godwin/pj45.html
William Godwin.
I’ve said already that we are not just watching things play out, but are part of them.
I’ll paraphrase Sade and say to you that I am not responsible for my manner of thinking. I cannot change my manner of thinking. I cannot not be as I am. My manner of thinking has evolved with each stage of my life. It is as much part of me as are my organs.
You too cannot change your manner of thinking. Like mine, it may be changed or it may not. Either way, it will continue to be dependent on factors both external and internal. Of the latter, most are unperceived by us. Those of which we perceive their origin have come from conscious experience and learning.
It matters not to me that we hold different positions, which I believe we are bound to. What is important is that we work for socialism, although I consider you and others somewhat deficient in materialism. I will continue, in speaking of Will, to refuse the adjective Free. I will say Will, Volition, and I will continue in daily life to stop everyone who uses the adjective in mid-speech and challenge it, and explain why I challenge it.
I am confident in my materialist position. I also suggest that, if comrades believe in free will, that they drop the barrier to idealists joining the party, so as to be consistent, providing those idealists want world socialism as much as we all do. At least idealists who profess free will are not claiming to be materialists, so I don’t expect the same clarity on the point that I expect from avowed materialists.
So, let’s leave it there.
Actually, in that experiment, when the monkeys were offered a reward if they pressed the REAL electric voltage on other monkeys, they refused. But the humans obeyed when they thought they were giving other humans electric shocks.
What will be will be. No doubt about that.
Or are we to say what will be won’t be?One is a logical phrase. The other is nonsense.
She means we are part of it, not outside observers. What is to happen has antecedents already, and we are among them. Whether our wishes prevail or not, we don’t know. But we must act on them, which is what we do.
Only when we make socialism will we know.I’m not in a hole. Necessarianism is not fatalism, because we are in the chain of cause and effect, not outside of it.
