steve colborn
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What a good idea OGW, hope someone comes up with a form where this could work.YFS Steve.Over to the site movers and shakers!
Ed wrote in post 33, "Time to start backing up your bull shitHope that question is not too intellectual for you, I know there was a few words over 3 syllables there"Actually you should have written, I know there were a few words. Not, as you wrote, "I know there was a few words".Grammar comrade, grammar.
I too remember the old Seaham branch. About 25 to 30 members. I remember printing our own leaflets, in point of fact, I've still got copies of some of them. They were printed on a RONEO copier. If memory serves me right, there was a young fellow called, what was his name! mmm oh yes, Vin Maratty, a real fire brand he was, turned the handle, turn after turn, for bloody ages.I remember, in the early 80's that members of the branch had 6, yes 6 letters printed in the Sunderland Echo letters page on the same day. Bobby Gleg, Vin, Pat and Linda Maratty, Kevin Lennon and another I can't recall at the mo. Letters published every few days in this paper. Hundreds a year.We had debates upstairs in the Carlton Arms. As OGW said, with Tories, (a fool in a boiler suit) think his name was Mitchel. Debated with the Rev Stephenson, bit misguided but a decent bloke. Steve Coleman, no, not Colborn, debated with him. Remember Steve asked us if we wanted him to give him a good going over, or should he try a, lets say, a more easier approach! lol, good old Steve. Also with Liberals and others. 70 or eighty people at some meetings.Had loads of free ads in the S. Echo. Over the years we had hundreds upon hundreds of letters published. In one year, another young firebrand socialist, Steve Colborn, had 360+ letters published in various papers in the N.East. We had the papers full and I do mean full, of Socialist propoganda.This was REAL Socialist propagandising. We never let up.I've still got the vast majority of these letters in letters books at home. I should really get them copied onto disc.The history of Socialist activity in the N.East, is truly astounding and meritorious.Wish the same guys were doing the propagandising today.Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention the hours upon hours of radio phone in talk we had. Led, much more than ably by young Pat the rat Maratty. What a bloody good Socialist he was.I think of all my old N.East comrades, living and dead. Perhaps the modern bunch could take a leaf out of your book!All the fault of that guy, called Bobby Gleg. You left your mark on all Socialists in the N.East.
Noticed how the first 3 images were, Marx, Lenin and Uncle Joe, sums it up really. They really were taking the PISS!
steve colborn wrote: Anyone want to make a contribution to our ideas read the letter posted on spgbmedia and answer this person. Look forward to your input comrades. The last post I made. The Sunderland echo will probably publish your responses! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spgbmedia/message/240Some home truths about MarxismI PRESUME from what Steve Colborn wrote (Letters, September 11) he wants me toexplain why he is wrong in being some kind of Marxist.Well, Steve, if you were to put the estimated number of those who were shottrying to escape from Marxist East Berlin in one column and make another columnwith the number of people trying to escape from the capitalist West Berlin,although I don't know the exact numbers myself, I think you will find thegreater number will be from East Berlin and that pattern from one divided cityyou will find the world over – from Cuba to China.Anyone who talks about the equal distribution of wealth is either a fraud or afathead. There is no such thing. There never has been nor ever will be. You canonly have an equal distribution of poverty, not wealth. In a population of50million, £1million divides into 2p each, which means you will need £50millionto provide everyone with £1. So Steve, for your enlightenment, multiply by£50million to get the sum which you think everyone should have.Then, in your philosophy, how will you solve the problem of those workers whothink they are worth more than somebody else? In football, for example, everyteam plays by the same rules and risks yet I doubt if the players and manager ofHartlepool will get the same as Sunderland's manager and players and, in thedays when Sunderland had shipyards, one group of workers would go on strike forparity of pay with another group and when they were given parity of pay theother group would then go on strike demanding the restoration of thedifferential.There is more sense and science in astrology than Marxism, for Marxism is acreed of those who mislead the credulous with a lot of sophistry.In recent months I've read quotes of Mao Zedong in which he said he wasperfectly justified in causing the deaths of some 35million Chinese by famine inorder to pursue his economic policy. I've also read an interview by a Russianwoman who moved in the same circles as Bulganin and Khrushchev in which shestated that some 40million died in the USSR.I've no idea as to the truth of those views so, Steve, you can take a census ofthe corpses in all communist states and you can publish what you discover to bethe actual figures and, if you are still a Marxist after that, it means you areeither a sadist or a masochist.J. Young, Alexander Terrace, Fulwell, SunderlandAnyone fancy helping educating our fellow worker?Email address, echo.letters@…Has anyone, will anyone step in and answer this person. Really relevant when one has seen the BBC's show on Marx.
It saddens me to Punk, it really does. Reminds me of the 80's when comrade Pat Maratty was on radio phone-ins everyday. Asked the party for help towards the cost, left high and dry.I followed on regardless. Got loads of air time for the parties case, got very little backing from the party.
My eyes glazed over after the first citation. Quite honestly I ask, where does this get this thread?
Shows the amount of study involved. If Marx indeed claimed capitalism would collapse, why did he say, the emancipation of the working class, must be the work of the working class themselves?Why did he not say, Sit back and wait for the inevitable, it will all come crashing down?He said the former, the rest Steph made up!
Anyone want to make a contribution to our ideas read the letter posted on spgbmedia and answer this person. Look forward to your input comrades. The last post I made. The Sunderland echo will probably publish your responses!
Watched the prog on Marx tonight. Same old shite I've been hearing for 31 years. All the same old same old non-socialist revolutionary supporters of state capitalism were rolled out. Where the hell did they dig up Tariq Ali from?A farce for the most part. Why we weren't approached somehow fits the BBC's lack of research on this matter, but what the hell's new?
To have a violent revolution is not immoral, it is just irrational. When a majority of workers want, understand and work to bring about Socialism it will happen. Remember the members of Capitalisms coercive arms are workers themselves, their families are. Do you imagine class ideas will pass them by? Leave no trace on their minds! To posit this is, irrational in itself.Can you answer that contradiction between immorality and irrationality ED?
