steve colborn
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Not only invidious but cowardly and amoral to boot. Knew Coleman in the 80's and I, for one, cannot believe a man who held the views Steve did and put them with such eloquence and forcefulness, could now, be a supporter of Capitalism.If Steve had gone around informing, or advising supporters of the system how to "rig" ballots, my opinion may well be different but I have no proof, nor accusation that he is, "a ballot rigger". Surely to "rig a ballot" so that the outcome is not as it should be, would be more than frowned upon!Good comrade in the 80's Steve and a bloody good asset for the Party and in the fight for Socialism. Steve.
I have spent the whole of my adult life, 32 years, fighting the censorship and by extension, moderation, of Capitalism. A system of society that, in order to maintain it's control, tries to disparage and traduce, those who oppose it. What's right is right! If I have done this in Capitalism, can I do other than this now? I think not. Fairness and equality is not merely needed in a future Socialist society, it must be imbued in the struggle for it. What is right is right, I will not be gainsaid on this and what has been happening on this forum, is wrong!If individuals will not see this, as with the effort to try and get workers to see the harm and duress placed upon them by Capitalism, it is up to those, in good conscience, to do the same here. Logic is used by Socialists in the fight to rid the world of Capitalism, it must be used here, to show the contradictions of certain actions of certain individuals, against those who have, as they do, one aim, to be rid of Capitalism and to bring about a sane society.I have much experience in fighting for Socialism and why I must fight know, again, I cannot rightly see, it is a travesty. Steve.
I sent a post to the members ex-members and class traitors site, just before it was locked because, after 4 hours 15 mins of being ignored on PM I felt it was the only way to get an answer to my question. Not only was this post "moderated", it was deleted, then the whole thread was locked. would have been easier to answer my question. However, I have "previous" at being ignored and moderated, so am in no way surprised, I had just hoped this kind of action was a thing of the past.If anyone wants to see a copy of the deleted post PM me. Steve.
The political opponents of the SPGB will already be aware of this outcome SP, including the SWP and probably licking their lips at the whiff of hypocrisy it represents. Fan and crap spring to mind. Steve.
Admin, you must have recieved my PM I sent to you at 4pm but, as was the case previously you chose not to reply to me, so what recourse do you leave me and others if, after following procedure, you continue to ignore me or others?As to the above, are you saying your first intervention on here, with regard to OGW was a moderation? As to the second refering to "historic cases of moderation", on this particular thread is "not" of topic. It was one of the reasons I started this thread. Are you saying you, or other moderators have the power to decide what can be discussed in any particular thread?What if I had "explicitly stated" in the title of this particular thread that one of the components of the discussion was moderation? Would you, or others have prevented the thread altogether? And take it from me, one of the reasons for starting this thread "was", to talk about moderation, historic or otherwise!Finally, I will ask again here, seeing as though you see fit not to reply to my PM. What "specifically" did OGW state, that was negatively provocative to another forum member. Surely you are logically minded enough to realise that OGW merely repeated facts that are already in the "public domain" and were put in that place, by the aforementioned comrade, (not OGW by the way) himself.Your reply, logical I hope would be appreciated.Steve.
I cannot believe that this is happening again.Where do people who read this thread think it came from, or what inspired it? This thread "is" about an issue related to socialism. Moreover, point to where allegations and insinuations were made? when in fact they were factually correct in all senses.It appears that my comments on another thread re revising my decision to resign was, in itself, overhasty. Oh well, guess I'm in for a protracted spell as an "ex-member".Sadly yours Steve.
Hi Alex,I am delighted that you will soon be a member of The Socialist Party, hell, I stopped calling them the SPGB 20 or more years ago! but regardless, you ask if they are a party with the right tactics?First of all, I would ask another question, is The Socialist Party a party, with the right message? The answer is an unequivocal yes. That Capitalist society does not, nor cannot work for 95 to 99% of the population is irrefutable. As someone who has been a member and supporter of The Socialist Party for 32 years and can say that they are the ONLY party who has consistently opposed the insanity and iniquity of Capitalism. They are not interested in reforming it and have a body of "logical argument" that proves beyond doubt that it is irreformable nor irredemable!Lets get to the meat of your question! Are they a Party with good tactics? First of all, as with any political, or other organisation, it's tactics are only are as strong as it's membership and their commitment. The commitment of Socialist Party members is, on the whole, absolute! Taking in to account ill-health, problems that invariably spring up within Capitalism, they are some of the most determined and single-minded individuals I have ever met. Disagreements aside, the are my comrades.Their tactics? well they are, and this is merely my opinion for what it's worth, beginning to be on the right track. They, nearly put "we", are a party that believes Socialism can only be brought about via the ballot box. What they may have realised, or stumbled over accidentally is that, standing in elections gives a "focal point" for activity, energises and unites comrades in the struggle. I think, reading the various Party forums, that this has finally been realised.So yes Alex, I would say that The Socialist Party IS, a party with good prospects to do some serious damage in the intellectual and political arena. But, it is dependent on members to "force" this issue.With this in mind, and with people like yourself asking this sort of question and the shit, "my", "our"class are getting from Capitalism, I am minded to reverse my decision and rejoin the Party!Personal and procedural disputes aside, this is where the, "intellectual and logical high ground is", would I, could I, be anywhere else? I do not think so.So I hopefully have answered "your" question and so doing, answered my own. Let's get to it and be damned LOL, Steve.
Philpott is merely a miniscule example, used by the Capitalist media, to tar ALL benefit claimants with the brush of scrounger and skiver. It is no more, nor less true, than saying all blacks are not white, nor all immigrants are health tourists.In a Socialist society, as I see it, if someone does not want to contribute to the "common good", then they will not be allowed to partake of the common store of wealth that we all, produce. Make no bones about it, Socialism will, and can only be set up. when the "majority" of us, understand and want it and moreover strive to bring it about. It will be a world that will, "belong to 'us all' and therefore" it will be in ALL our interests to run it in and contribute to and for, All our interests! Given that and with the knowledge that, as class consciousness increases, on the path to a sane society, the idea that some seem to have, possibly you, that there will still be some who merely want to take but not contribute, will, in my humble opinion, be miniscule.If that view persists and if there are, indeed, a minority who wish to "take" but not "contribute", much like the wealthy, the Capitalists today do, then it will still be a far better world than we have today, Capitalism. Because in Capitalism, unless you are extremely lucky, or are born with a silver spoon up your backside, you are fubar'ed, regardless of how much, "STRIVING" you do. Steve.
Let us be quite clear, if one of Philpotts remaining kids and by what we are told, there are a few, comes up with a, for instance, cure for cancer! would they be seen as the child of Philpott, or an intro to vast profits for the pharmacutical industry? Best guesses on the back of a first class stamp.Moreover, if some parasitical Capitalist scumbag were to be given his/her health back from such a hypothetical discovery, would they refuse it because it was created by the issue of Philpott, or by extension, the issue of some other, of what the rich like to call "parasites"? Answers on the back of an even smaller first class stamp.Steve.
All we can offer, no more no less. As an ex-member, I am still a Socialist! I can be nothing else. By the way OGW, right back at you. Good m8, comrade, Socialist and committed to "OUR" cause. Steve.
Had offers of support from N.E. Socialists, (non members that is) monetarally but turned them down. I will stand, or fall, by my 32 years of advocating Socialism in this constituency, letters, meetings, talking to fellow workers. Advocating "our" aims, on the terms that if, "you do not understand and agree", we do not want, or need, your vote. Steve.
The greatest asset The Socialist Party has, is the knowledge of it's members and their commitment. Steve.
