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Robotomy, there’s no egg on my face you credulous dupe. Ukraine is losing decisively, and even a smooth brained Guardian Brah such as yourself will soon have to face the truth. I look forward to rubbing your nose in it.
_______________________________________________________It doesn’t look like that at the moment does it, True Stalinist? How do you interpret the Ukrainian capture of Kherson as “Ukraine losing decisively”? Or the Ukrainian advances up in the North for that matter? I appreciate you live in a kind of Alice in Wonderland bubble where lies morph into truths and vice versa, but come on old chap – this is stretching matters a wee bit too far, don’t you think?
Still, I would be fascinated to hear your explanation as to why you think the Ukrainians capturing Kherson is clear proof that they are “decisively losing the war”. You are an endless source of amusement so continue keeping us all amused. Perhaps you imagine you are a brilliant military strategist and that this is just some kind of clever military ruse that we lesser mortals are quite unable to grasp. We shall see.
And no you won’t ever have the pleasure of ever rubbing my nose in it when the outcome of this stupid war is settled. Unlike you, I am a socialist and support neither side. Whichever authoritarian capitalist regime wins this war, Russian and Ukrainian workers will have lost
“LOL, Robotomy, you are funny. Since we’re in fantasy land…unicorns are real, drink from bubblegum lakes and fart rainbows.”
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Come to think of it, True Stalinist, that rather colourfully sums up your own position doesn’t it? But by all means carry on bootlicking your favourite capitalist, V Putin, if you so wish. Don’t let the egg on your face deter you
Well, it is beginning to look like the authoritarian capitalist regime of Ukraine is gaining the upper hand over the authoritarian capitalist regime of Russia. So much for rash claims made here about victory being assured for the latter in this stupid pointless inter-capitalist conflict. How many working-class lives have been lost on both sides for no good reason whatsoever
_______________________________________________________________“The Kremlin has ordered its forces to withdraw from the city of Kherson on the Black Sea coast in southern Ukraine.
The order comes eight months after the Russians captured Kherson and its 300,000 residents, six months after Ukrainian troops began bombarding the Kherson garrison’s supply line and two months after Ukrainian brigades launched a counteroffensive in the south aimed at liberating Kherson.
It’s a profound victory for Ukraine, and a major defeat for Russia. Arguably the biggest Russian defeat in a generation.
The Ukrainians already had the momentum in Russia’s nine-month-old wider war on Ukraine. Now it’s safe to say the Ukrainians actively are winning the war—and soon could advance on other Russian-occupied territories and cities. The destroyed historic port of Mariupol, for instance. Or even the strategic Crimean Peninsula.”
“Actually, the exact opposite is true. The Russian people overwhelmingly supported Bolshevism. Of the 300 million people living in the USSR about 150 million people participated in the 1991 referendum asking whether or not to maintain the Union. 76% voted in favor of its preservation. That’s overwhelming Wez”
_______________________________________________________How does voting in favour of maintaining the soviet union translate into “supporting bolshevism”? These are two quite separate things. Actually, the old state capitalist “command economy” was already under assault from the 1960s onwards with the Liberman reforms etc It was the “revolution from above” carried out by sections of the red bourgeoisie that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. 75% of the modern Russian oligarchic class were originally well-placed and privileged members of the Soviet Union’s old state capitalist class
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“No it was betrayed.’
TS – By whom?”By the Soviet leaders who rejected the result of the referendum and dissolved the USSR anyway. President Boris Yeltsin of Russia, President Kravchuk of Ukraine, and Chairman Shushkevich of Belarus. Mikhail Gorbachev must also take s great deal of the blame.”
__________________________________________________________You support an authoritarian capitalist regime like Putin’s. This is what authoritarian capitalist regimes do to people who naively place their trust in leaders or swallow the BS nationalist arguments for going to war with other countries. They betray them
“Russia is not imperialist. It does not intend to rule the world. The only people who believe otherwise are smooth brained Guardian bros.”
——————————Other imperialist powers like the US similarly say they do not intend to rule the world and support the sovereign rights of nations to exist as independent entities. Only smooth-brained users of right-wing conspiracy theory sites believe capitalist Russia is any different
“I don’t know what name one gives to the overthrow of centuries of US/European hegemony if not revolutionary. What would you call it?”
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A redistribution of power from one capitalist bloc to another. Hardly a revolution!
Capitalism is further entrenched by its gullible supporters such as yourself with your far-right Trumplike views in favour of a fascistic-cum-authoritarian type of capitalist oligarchy such as exists in Putin’s Russia. Spare me the bleatings of useful idiots in the service of capitalism such as yourself. You are the kind of cannon fodder that would willingly offer their bodies and minds to the cause of some capitalist nation – or, at least in your case from the comfort of your armchair. If you feel so passionately about the war aims of your beloved Putin whose boots you slavishly lick, why don’t you join your fellow far-right comrades and become a mercenary? Why not put your money where your mouth is? You think the Russian capitalist regime is worth supporting so why not go and support it?
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“This is what passes for debate on this thread? Robbo, the adults are talking. Run along child, the playground is over there.”
______________________________________________________________Says the kid whose only response to logical debate is sexual innuendo.
No, Russia is revolutionary. It is acting to overturn the US/NATO hegemony encapsulated in the “rules based international order”, ie. The US/NATO make the rules and all others follow orders. Russia, by standing up to US/NATO aggression, is birthing a new multi-polar world that will be far more democratic and far less authoritarian. Yet you lot are all too dim to see because you’re ideological fanatics who actually support the status quo in all your missives.
_________________________________________LOL LOL LOL. So supporting one disgusting authoritarian capitalist regime against another is …er…” revolutionary” and is going to somehow advance the cause of global democracy.
This guy gets more and more hilarious with every contribution he makes to this debate. Keep it up, TS. We could all do with a good chuckle in these gloomy times…
“Every single claim in your long list is a lie propagated by the bourgeois press, academia and intelligence servcies. As you’re a Guardian Bro you are a credulous consumer of such untruths. You will wholeheartedly believe the most ridiculous claims made about socialists because you hate them. You only use Marxism to trash Marxists. Grover Furr does a great job debunking every one of the lies of the bourgeois press that you’ve just parroted”
_______________________________________________LOL This guy is living in a little bubble totally disconnected from reality. He bootlicks a repugnant authoritarian capitalist regime like the Putin regime and unquestioningly cites dodgy far-right conspiracy theory-based sources to back his ridiculous claims while mocking the sources of others. Then – fantasy of fantasies – he imagines himself to be some sort of Marxist or socialist. Ha! TS knows sod all about Marxism and socialism and scoffs at the Marxian concept of socialism (as do others like him on the far right) while advancing a completely idealist non-Marxist explanation of the war in Ukraine….
Never underestimate the power of ideology to beguile …
Excellent contribution Paddy!
Interesting to see the same old tired baseless anarchocapitalist argument surface – that we don’t live in a capitalist society but a corporatist society. Ancaps who plug this line should be asked to explain how exactly they propose to get us back from a corporatist to a capitalist society in their terms.
Are they going to use the state to “smash” big business? Do they expect the little corner shop to outcompete a supermarket chain and drive the latter into bankruptcy? Or what?
“TM asked for you to define what a nazi means to Russia in the context of this war.”
Extreme right nationalists who venerate Adolf Hitler or his collaborator Stepan Bandera and wish to lead the white race against their assorted imaginary foes.
________________________________________________________________There are plenty of extreme right-wing nationalists in Russia too – and racists! They might not call themselves specifically Nazis – as you pointed out, it is forbidden to form a Nazi Party in Russia – but what’s in a name? Is there anything that rules out a de facto Nazi – that is someone sharing the same ideological traits as an “official nazi” – opposing said official nazi? Nothing that I can see. After all, a Russian nazi or neo nazi being an extreme right-wing nationalist would naturally be opposed to Hitler as a figurehead given that the German army invaded Russia and yet share more or less the same ideological outlook as the German Nazis but be dressed up under a different name.
In fact, your whole argument is very weak and unsupported. I make the point again – there is very little to choose between the authoritarian right-wing capitalist regime of Ukraine and the authoritarian right-wing capitalist regime of Russia. They are cut from the same cloth.
Furthermore, you have failed to identify the true extent of those in Ukraine in a) the government b) the army and c) the population at large who self-identify as Nazis according to YOUR OWN definition of Nazi – namely “Extreme right nationalists who venerate Adolf Hitler or his collaborator Stepan Bandera and wish to lead the white race against their assorted imaginary foes.”
I suspect the proportions would be relatively low in each case. I don’t think interest in figures like Stepan Bandera necessarily translates into identification with Hitler and the Nazis. It is not as simple as that. Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist and it could well be this and not so much the fact he was a fascist that fuels this nostalgic interest in him in Ukraine. As this article points out:
“Bandera was in occupied Poland when on June 30, 1941, his comrades proclaimed an independent Ukrainian state in Nazi-occupied Lviv — and the Germans banned him from traveling to Ukraine. Adolf Hitler rejected the idea of Ukrainian independence, and Bandera was arrested and imprisoned in Sachsenhausen concentration camp until 1944.”
(https://www.dw.com/en/stepan-bandera-ukrainian-hero-or-nazi-collaborator/a-61842720)
“Except that’s not what the war is about. If one doesn’t understand the causes of the conflict, as you clearly don’t, how does one hope to resolve it?
Russia didn’t want this war. The Kremlin did everything possible to avoid it. You have no idea what you’re talking about.”
____________________________________________________On the contrary, you don’t know what you are talking about. You are confusing the pretext for war for the cause which is basically economic in nature. This is the Marxian explanation for war which you oppose in favour of your own idealist explanation which is painfully inadequate. For example, the BS argument advanced by the Kremlin of wanting to “denazify” Ukraine rings particularly hollow when there is precious little to choose between these two right-wing, deeply authoritarian, and corrupt capitalist regimes.
Of course, any capitalist regime would prefer not to go to war with some other capitalist regime if they can get what they want by other means. Wars are costly and destructive but sometimes, when other means have exhausted themselves, war comes to be seen as the only option available
!AJJ, you say that “Workers have no land to fight and die for”. Yet they do don’t they, as we are seeing every day in Ukraine. But its not the “land” as such that they are fighting for. It’s the common life they have made on that piece of land (it has to be made somewhere, in some physical space). The right of a people not to be invaded derives from that common life they have made and not from any legal title to property they hold or don’t hold.
_________________________________________________________________How is that “common life” of workers living in a completely arbitrary piece of land called the nation-state impacted by a change of rulers or even a change of flag? If for the sake of argument the obnoxious Russian regime were successful in overthrowing the equally obnoxious Ukrainian regime what difference would it make to the “common life” of Ukrainian workers? What is this “common life” you talk of anyway? The ingredients of so-called national cultures are, often as not, romantic inventions or made-up fiction (read Benedict Anderson’s “Imagined Communities”). Your average British worker regularly looks at American films, eats Indian curries (Britain’s most popular culinary dish apparently), and goes to Ibiza in Spain to party and have a good time.
Nationalism is just a load of meaningless BS and vacuous hot air. A Brexiteer might be comfortable with the idea of Britain “taking back control” (code for Britain asserting its right to your fanciful notion of the so-called “common life”) and we can all now see what a dismal farce that has turned out to be! Some “taking back control” as the British economy slides inexorably into deep recession! The problem is your ideas feed directly into the same kind of twaddle that people like Nigel Farage have been expounding.
The Russian workers and the Ukrainian workers have far more in common with each other than ever have with their respective ruling classes. They should tell their respective ruling classes urging them to fight in a capitalist squabble over Ukraine’s economic resources to go f**k themselves.
The common life of the working class is the common life of workers everywhere.
She should become a member or a journalist for the QAnon movement, and the christian ultra nationalist movement . She does not sound any different to the journalists of Fox News who are supporters of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement
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Yeah and I bet Margarita Simonyan – like the capitalist, Putin – has a luxurious home or two somewhere stuffed to the ceiling with western luxuries. And talking of Putin, apparently he is or was a part of a Russian consortium owning one of the most luxurious villas in Spain – near Marbella – as well as owning a number of other Spanish properties…
CHATEAU PUTIN: Who owns the lavish villa in the hills above Marbella on Spain’s Costa del Sol?
Margarita Simonyan, the head of Russia Today (RT) and long-time Vladimir Putin ally, said on Sunday for Russians it is better to go fight in Ukraine and possibly die rather than live in a western-dominated world.
Also this:
‘One day I will be prohibited to put dresses on my daughters and to explain to my son that he is a boy. This is already happening in many countries. For me, it’s unbearable. For me, this is worse than war. Indeed, it’s worse than war.’
Seriously???
LOL LOL LOL
