Russian Tensions
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Just occurred to me to ask …what was that cause of the civil war in Northern Ireland (or the six counties)
And Russia’s workers could have sabotaged the invasion by following Rosa Luxemburg’s advice to workers in wartime: a mass industrial strike, stopping the war machine in its tracks.
Unfortunately, patriotism stops the workers from realising how much power they have to stop war and save lives.
!AJJ, you say that “Workers have no land to fight and die for”. Yet they do don’t they, as we are seeing every day in Ukraine. But its not the “land” as such that they are fighting for. It’s the common life they have made on that piece of land (it has to be made somewhere, in some physical space). The right of a people not to be invaded derives from that common life they have made and not from any legal title to property they hold or don’t hold.
_________________________________________________________________How is that “common life” of workers living in a completely arbitrary piece of land called the nation-state impacted by a change of rulers or even a change of flag? If for the sake of argument the obnoxious Russian regime were successful in overthrowing the equally obnoxious Ukrainian regime what difference would it make to the “common life” of Ukrainian workers? What is this “common life” you talk of anyway? The ingredients of so-called national cultures are, often as not, romantic inventions or made-up fiction (read Benedict Anderson’s “Imagined Communities”). Your average British worker regularly looks at American films, eats Indian curries (Britain’s most popular culinary dish apparently), and goes to Ibiza in Spain to party and have a good time.
Nationalism is just a load of meaningless BS and vacuous hot air. A Brexiteer might be comfortable with the idea of Britain “taking back control” (code for Britain asserting its right to your fanciful notion of the so-called “common life”) and we can all now see what a dismal farce that has turned out to be! Some “taking back control” as the British economy slides inexorably into deep recession! The problem is your ideas feed directly into the same kind of twaddle that people like Nigel Farage have been expounding.
The Russian workers and the Ukrainian workers have far more in common with each other than ever have with their respective ruling classes. They should tell their respective ruling classes urging them to fight in a capitalist squabble over Ukraine’s economic resources to go f**k themselves.
The common life of the working class is the common life of workers everywhere.
Nationalism restricts the personality. I, for instance see kinship in all life, not just other humans. So, how can one grow in the perception that we are kin with all mammals and other animals if one can’t even accept other humans as kin?
It’s like a sketch in The Likely Lads, where Terry says he hates Germans, Italians, Chinese, Arabs, Pakistanis; then that he also hates Scots, Irish and Welsh; hates his English neighbours too, and hates the sod who lives downstairs in the same building.
We are every one of us a descendant of a nonhuman, and we are all relatives.
It looks as if it is not only God that is on both sides in this war but the Devil too:
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The peoples from Qanon and the Christians nationalists have developed a new theory saying that capitalism was created by the devil, and Marx was a satanic person and that both are planing to destroy the earth and mankind, and Donald Trump ( a buddy of Putin ) the anointed of the lord is going to save the earth from destruction, it is a just voting campaign to win election, and the Russian use similar analysis to obtain workers supports for the war. Both are the same shit, and whoever supoort any side is supporting the most reactionary conceptions and he/she is supporting capitalism. Joseph Stalin did the same during WW2 he used the church in order to promote patriotism. Tea Party died but its ideas continue
Nationalism/Patriotism ( now they want to separate both ) is crap, all nations, frontiers, borders, and all type of nationalism is racist, xenophobic, and ignorance prevailed in those conceptions, because most peoples who support nationalism and patriotism do not know the history of mankind biologically and paleontologically, and they do not know the history of the earth, and they do not know how the concept of nation-state came about, they are just chunk of lands ( Quintas, Haciendas, Conucos, in Spain they used the proper term ) taken by the capitalist class to produce profits, inside of a nation we do not own anything including the cemetery which are real estate.
New discovery have proven finally that we are just modern primates walking in two legs, and the theory of out of Africa has been completely demonstrated and proven ( including the man from Peking ) and we are all the same and we all have the same origin, we have nothing specially in our skin,( colors produced by glands ) and the study were done using advanced biological method, we do not have a flag in our brain , national hymn , or a nation in our brains either , and our brain is not wired either, we learned all those nonsenses and stupidities from the place of birth in the same way that we learn to defense the capitalists and capitalism,
I can clean my ass with the flag, and with a passport, and I can send all leaders to the hells because I do not need them, I have never paid my mortgage, rents, and food with any flags or leader, and the only ones who I have to be faithful are to my parents and mankind, but it takes time and study to understand many things in this world and socialism/communism is the only conception that provide a real view of our history, the bourgeois ideology is trash.
Probably, Indians ( American natives ) who were called savages and ignorants knew more than us about the earth and about human beings, they do can claim that they owned something because they loved the earth, the took care of the earth, and they never paid money in order to live over the earth, we are the only living thing on earth who must pay in order to survive, so what stupid country do we own ? None
Human beings are willing to kill each other defending a chunk of lands, by the meantime the capitalists are enjoying life traveling thru different countries, eating good stuffs, enjoying the sea and the oceans on big yachts, driving expensive cars, living in big mansion in different places, they do own something, and they are the real patriots, they have patrimonium, and despite that they can lose everything because this economic system is unstable
Lizzie 45 wrote – “You’re absolutely spot on of course, PGB, but you’ll have an insurmountable job convincing these blinkered ‘band of brothers’. 🙁 They know nothing about human psychology.”
You may think I know nothing about “human psychology” but I have long been interested in the Freudian concept of ego defence mechanisms (an unconscious psychological operation that functions to protect a person from anxiety-producing thoughts and feelings related to internal conflicts).
One well known defence mechanism is “reaction formation” in this case Reaction formation occurs because an individual is anxious or uncomfortable about a particular belief, trait, or preference. By demonstrating the opposite, that uncomfortable characteristic remains unacknowledged, both to themselves and others. So for example you might see the person who makes lots of homophobic comments, but is not able to acknowledge that they deep down are actually gay themselves.
As you say, I may know nothing about human psychology, but it does seem odd that people like Lizzie 45 express such dislike of the SPGB, yet seem to like hanging around us?
We have written several articles about psychology and about Freud, we have debunked Freud, and the School of Frankfurt tried to unify Marx and Freud and they failed completely, they tried to unify a pseudoscience with a real science and we have written several articles about that too and we have debunked them too. The association of psychologist approved the tortures made on humans by the US army
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/freud-was-a-fraud-a-triumph-of-pseudoscience/. Freud was a fraud, a triumph of pseudoscience
Freud did not know that man also can have hysteria, they based themselves on wrong ideas on an old greek conception, of an old definition of hystera which means uterus and they created the vibrator. His wife said that psychoanalysis was scientific pornography. For Freud women only become complete human being when they have sex, his conceptions are reactionaries
When they call us to fight for the stupid homeland we should stay home drinking beers and scotch Like my grandfather said; Let the patriots die and I stay watching and dancing with the girls
Just to add that not all of us consider Freud’s work to have been ‘debunked’. For me his theories give the only possible explanation for irrational reactionary ideology. When combined with a Marxian perspective they can be very productive as in the work of the Frankfurt school. Of course there are some elements that are mistaken but, as with Marx, we don’t discard the entirety of his work because of the mistakes he made.
They are not mistakes, Freudian theory is a pseudoscience. The Frankfurt School was not able to mix Marx with Freud, on the contrary, they failed, the shool of Frankfurt is a creator of reactionary theories including cultural marxism. The Marxist Humanist also tried and it did not work.
MS – Having made a lifetime study of the works of Marx and Freud together with that of the Frankfurt school I would have to profoundly disagree with you. Remember that the term ‘pseudoscience’ is also used by the reactionary element within the ‘scientific community’ to describe Marxism and any other theory that they dislike ideologically.
I studied the Frankfurt School with the Marxist Humanist for a long period of time too, and I have spent my whole life in this movement too, and I have been studying Marxism for many years too, and also I have studied medical psychology. Personally, I will never combine Marx with Freud, if you want to do that that is fine with me, it is your personal decision, and it is mine too
“Your Carnegie link is from April 2021.
I had already said, “It did report preparations for a possible offensive – a full year previously.””
What? You were talking about the Donbass Insider! You said it reported nothing about a troop build-up in February 2022 which is blatantly false.
“I was discussing the immediate period before the invasion.”
So was I. I linked to a Donbass Insider article late January 2022. Take a look.
“I qualified my message with the statement
“Your claim of the Ukrainian build-up could well be in response to the Russian one.””
I know, and I provided a link proving your statement false.
“You cannot deny Russian build-up because Russia readily admitted large-scale military exercises on Ukraine’s borders.”
I never denied a build-up. What I denied was that Russia was first to build-up troops and I provided a link proving Ukraine was first to do so. Did you even read anything I wrote? Lol
“If we wish to question accurate reporting. from Donbas Insider 11/2/22
“Russia’s imaginary invasion of Ukraine”“From your own source.”
Good grief Alan, Donbass Insider is your friggin source! I hadn’t even heard of it til you mentioned it and made a false claim about its reporting or lack thereof.
“If Moscow intervened in the Donbass, the military actions would take place hundreds of kilometres from Kiev.” Weeks later Russian forces were at the outskirts of Kiev.
It continues, “if the hysteria surrounding the imaginary Russian invasion of Ukraine is not based on anything concrete, fears of provocations or even an attempted offensive by the Ukrainian army in the Donbass seem justified”
Was the Russian invasion threat all imaginary?”
All completely irrelevant! Do focus Alan. We are discussing one very specific issue. The build-up of Ukrainian troops in preparation for an invasion of the Donbass. You denied that Donbass Insider had reported on a Ukrainian military build-up just prior to Russia’s intervention. I proved that statement false. You were wrong. Instead of attempting to change the subject, just admit you were mistaken.
“Your linked article ends “It is to be hoped that the meeting of the Normandy Format Heads of State Advisors, which will finally take place in Paris on 26 January 2022, will bring Ukraine to its senses.””
Why did I link to the article Alan? It was to prove you wrong. The article is about a Ukrainian troop build-up. A build-up you claimed Donbass Insider never reported on when obviously it did!
“Talks were held and planned to continue. Guess what ended them? Russia’s invasion which goes against your own narrative that Russia exhausted all efforts for a peaceful settlement.”
The Ukrainians were on the threshold of invading Donbass. The article linked to discusses the troops there ready to attack. The OSCE reported on the massive prepatory artillery barrages. Ukrainian politicians are on record saying they’d take back Donbass and Crimea and that the Minsk Accords were a smokescreen for a military build up. What more evidence do you need that Ukraine was about to invade? A fucking Tweet from Zelensky? Lol
“As you appear to respect the integrity of the Carnegie website, did you read other articles from it?
You say the vast amount of shells were falling on the separatist positions…yet the reported CIVILIAN casualties were very light. Again it confirms no genocidal intentions.”
The civilians were evacuated! As was reported in the Aljazeera article! My God, are you intentionally being this dim?
“Why not directly check the daily detailed OSCE reports that are available on the internet. Here is one for the 22/2/22
https://www.osce.org/files/2022-02-22%20Daily%20Report_ENG.pdf?itok=63057”
And what do they show? A massive uptick in violations because the Ukrainians were preparing to attack! Ukraine’s former President is on record saying they had no intention of implementing the Minsk Agreements and were just using them as cover to build up their military.
Ukraine’s new masterstroke against Russia is actually Ukraine’s biggest pro-Russia move
Kiev has said on multiple occasions that they will take back Donbass and Crimea. It’s no secret.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/01/ukraine-still-hopes-to-reclaim-crimea-and-donbass-from-russia.html
And then you act surprised when they do what they say?! Lol
“While I concede facts are confused by the fog of war and propaganda, from your posts, you place 100% certainty on the integrity of Russia’s reporting. I trust neither side.”
The facts are the facts. I’ve provided supporting evidence for all my claims.
“Amnesty International reported that Russia’s refugee process known as ‘filtration’ is a violation of international law. Its research shows that many displaced Ukrainians end up inside Russia or Russia-occupied territories involuntarily.”
Amnesty International is a regime change operation. It’s only function is to provide “evidence” of human rights abuses to give a fig leaf of legitimacy to US/NATO acts of aggression.
Amnesty International’s Troubling Collaboration with UK & US Intelligence
“Deportation and forcible transfer of civilians in occupied territory are prohibited by international humanitarian law and can constitute war crimes or crimes against humanity. Deportation of protected peoples such as civilians during war is prohibited by Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Human Rights Watch specialist Tanya Lokshina emphasized this point and called Russia to stop this practice.”
The Geneva Conventions compel warring parties to evacuate civilians from combat zones.
“Human rights experts consider the forcible transfer of Ukrainian children for “adoption” in Russia as a genocidal act. The Russian Duma has drafted a law which would formalize the “adoption” of Ukrainian orphaned children.”
Genocidal? Lol. I don’t think so.
“Finally, the SPGB fully acknowledges the hypocrisy of Ukraine and its Western allies in ascribing culpability to only one side of the conflict.”
But then you refuse to believe evidence to show that just one side is responsible for the conflict. You can’t have it both ways.
“And Russia’s workers could have sabotaged the invasion…
Unfortunately, patriotism stops the workers from realising how much power they have to stop war and save lives.”
And why would they want to do that when they’re being threatened by literal Nazis? Nazis understand only one thing, violence. You live by the sword you die by it.
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