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Far from Russia “decisively winning the war”, it seems to be sustaining loss after loss and now, if these reports are correct, it is losing the support of China too. It is increasingly clear the authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin made a monumental blunder with its invasion of Ukraine
_______________________________________________________“We must firmly oppose politicisation, instrumentalisation and weaponisation of food and energy problems,” the Chinese president told the summit in Bali.
Mr Xi did not single out Russia and reiterated his opposition to Western sanctions policy, but the remarks will be seen as a signal of Beijing’s unease over the war and of Moscow’s growing isolation on the world stage.
According to Emmanuel Macron, Mr Xi also suggested Ukraine’s territorial integrity must be respected.
After meeting with his counterpart at the summit, the French president said: “Together with President Xi Jinping, we call for respect for the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine.”
War brutalizes all who support it. No side is worth supporting in this capitalist conflict. A plague on both their houses! The only sane and socialist response to the capitalist carnage
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“Reuters is carrying some additional details on the allegation that both Ukrainian and Russian forces have mistreated prisoners of war during the conflict.Matilda Bogner, head of the UN’s OHCHR monitoring mission, told a Geneva press briefing that the “vast majority” of Ukrainian prisoners they interviewed held by Russian forces reported torture and ill-treatment.
She gave examples of dog attacks, electric shocks with Tasers and military phones and sexual violence.
She said the treatment was aimed at intimidating and humiliating them. One man in a penal colony near Olenivka told the team that members of Russian-affiliated armed groups “attached wires to my genitalia and nose and shocked me. They simply had fun and were not interested in my replies to their questions.”
On the Ukrainian side, Bogner reported “credible allegations” of summary executions of Russian prisoners among other abuses.
Other Russian prisoners reported poor and humiliating conditions of transport and of being packed into trucks or vans naked, with their hands tied behind their backs. The UN team said it had also documented cases of so-called “welcome beatings” at a penal colony.”
“Robotomy, you know calling me a Stalinist isn’t insulting, right? It’s a badge of honor.”
———For you, it is no doubt but its good that you have come out into the open and revealed the intellectual basis of your obnoxious authoritarian outlook
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“– it is about gaining “huge swathes of territory and the resources and populations therein”.”Correlation is not causation. If the Russian speaking population inhabited barren, worthless desert the result would be the same.
—————————————Your idealist (non-Marxist) approach to understanding history is painfully obvious here. I guess you actually do believe that wars have nothing to do with the competitive struggle for markets, resources, trade routes, and so forth. In your mind, they are all about noble ideals – “freedom” “democracy” and so forth. You are just as naive and gullible as the supporters of the Ukrainian regime who assert that the war against Russia is a struggle against tyranny etc. Whether the “Russian speaking population inhabited barren, worthless desert the result would be the same” is something for which, as per usual, you provide zero evidence. It suits your style of “argument by assertion”. Like your daft claim that imperialist Russia is “decisively winning the war” having just lost Kherson and other parts of Ukraine
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“So all that talk about wanting to “de-nazify” Ukraine was a load of bollocks.”
It’s never only been about de-nazification. It’s also about demilitarization, ending Kiev’s vicious slaughter of the people of Donbas and security agreements guaranteeing no NATOstani (US) infrastructure on Russia’s border.
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We have already covered the question of de-Nazification. Ukraine is no more a Nazi state than Russia is – unless you want to render the term Nazi meaningless – though both are clearly repugnant authoritarian capitalist regimes. Naturally as a supporter of one of these you see no problem with the notion that Russia as a capitalist nation-state should be able to protect its “national security” – the nation-state itself being a capitalist construct. This is why you find it so hard to understand let alone appreciate the socialist opposition to war and to both sides in this conflict. Your whole outlook is thoroughly rooted in a capitalist ideology—————————————————-
“Putin is not an autocrat, he’s elected. If he was unpopular he’d be voted out of office. The Russian people don’t do so because he enjoys huge popular support. Under his leadership the looting of Russia was halted and its sovereignty restored.”
———————————–LOL TS . You live on another planet. So the muzzling of opposition parties and the press, the suppression of protests etc etc is not clear proof that we talking about an autocratic regime, is it?. BTW Being autocratic does not necessarily mean being unpopular. The de facto monarch of capitalist North Korea Kim Jong-un is an autocrat by any standard but is no doubt “popular” ‘ meaning if you don’t display your craven support for him things could happen to you – and your family
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“Mr Putin is the best recruiting sergeant for the cause of the small Ukrainian Nazi movement they could ever have hoped for.”That’s perfectly OK. As a result more Nazis will die. It’s a win-win.
——————So your answer to the nazi problem is to become like a nazi yourself. Kill anyone who holds an opinion you disagree with
And remind me how losing WW2 influenced even more Germans into embracing Nazi ideology? Oh that’s right, it didn’t.
________________________________________________There is a big difference. Nazi Germany invaded Russia. This time around it was Russia that invaded Ukraine. From the point of someone adhering to a nationalist ideology that matters. This is why an invading army finds it so much more difficult to hold on to another country than to conquer it. Not only was the Russian invasion force too small to conquer Ukraine but from the standpoint of maintaining control over the territory the size of the invasion force was even less adequate. Under Russian control, Ukrainian fascism would have likely grown in strength
“And Ukraine will be forced into unconditional surrender.”
After Russia’s loss of Kherson to the Ukrainian military these last few days, hot on the heels of losses they have incurred elsewhere in Ukraine, you have to worry about TS’s state of mind to come out with delusional stuff like this.
Russia’s invasion looks more likely to peter out with it holding on more or less to the territory it has now or perhaps a little less followed by the de facto partitioning of Ukraine. Hopefully this stupid and utterly pointless capitalist conflict – pointless from the point of view of both Russian and Ukrainian workers – will soon come to end
“Which means in practice when the US judges that Russia has been sufficiently weakened.”
But Russia will only be stronger. It has gained huge swathes of territory and the resources and populations therein
______________________________________________________Ah ha, so finally the cracks are beginning to appear in the facade. Now our True Stalinist is beginning to inadvertently reveal the real capitalist motivations behind his master’s imperialistic ambitions – it is about gaining “huge swathes of territory and the resources and populations therein”.
So all that talk about wanting to “de-nazify” Ukraine was a load of bollocks. Just so much hot air that gullible fools can faithfully regurgitate on demand. “It must be true cos Putin said it” LOL.
Putin has no problem with the idea of some autocratic rightwing corrupt regime existing on his doorstep. After all, he heads one himself. I still want to know from TS, however, how he imagines you can possibly hope to “de-nazify” a country – assuming Ukraine was a Nazi country – by firing missiles at it and whipping up its citizens into a state of reactionary ultra-nationalism in defense of their so-called homeland
Mr Putin is the best recruiting sergeant for the cause of the small Ukrainian Nazi movement they could ever have hoped for.
According to this article, the Ukrainian capture of Kherson might present an opportunity for a negotiated peace Who knows?
So the population of Ukraine is in the tens of millions and your Nazis number in the hundreds of thousands.
The vast majority of the Ukrainian military are not in politically extremist regiments, (just as the majority of Russian army is not Wagner or Chechen mercenaries)
___________________________________________________________If there is one thing that is almost designed to drive the non-Nazi majority of Ukrainians into the hands of the Nazi minority that is Putin’s stupid senseless blunder to invade Ukraine. You don’t “de-nazify” by terrorizing a population and bombing their homes. All that does is whip up reactionary Ukrainianian ultra-nationalism and thereby render them more susceptible to Nazi influence
The conflict is justified. Fighting Nazis is always the right thing to do. It is something Russians don’t shy away from given that they killed 8 out of 10 Nazis during WW2.
______________________________________________________BS The conflict has got nothing to do with fighting nazis. Our resident Putin bootlicker can’t seem to distinguish between the pretext for war, the excuses made by the warmongers for going to war, and the actual causes of war which are essentially economic in nature. The Putin capitalist regime couldn’t care two hoots about Ukraine’s conspicuous lack of democracy since it is a carbon of the latter in so many respects. If Ukraine is a Nazi regime then so too is Russia even if it doesn’t call itself that
To say True Stalinist’s arguments are pisspoor is an understatement. He claims that only a third of the Ukrainian military are fascists but it’s the influence of nazi ideology that matters, not the numbers. So what proportion of the Ukrainian population are Nazis in that case, eh, TS? Also, you might want to explain how raining down missiles on the Ukrainian population is going to somehow change them from being the Nazis you claim they are, into anti-Nazis or non-nazis.
If anything it’s going to have the opposite effect. The invasion of Ukraine by the Russian imperialist capitalist regime is going to solidify the forces of Nazism within Ukraine and these could well gain more influence thanks to Putin’s stupid blunder. If you want to encourage the growth of nazism riding on the back of a wave of delusional ultra-nationalism then you could not have done better than do what that idiot Putin has done
Lol, you’re not committed to doing anything. You couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. What is SPGB doing right now to take advantage of the capitalist crisis we’re living through? I bet not one God damn thing.
______________________________________________________________LOL And what are YOU doing to ..er…”take advantage of the capitalist crisis we’re living through”. What does that even mean? You and dyed-in-the-wool utopian reformists like Lizzie45 imagine that capitalism can be administered in the interests of workers and presumably that if you protest hard enough things will be significantly different and maybe even that the built-in capitalist trade cycle of boom and bust can be made to vanish with a wave of your magic wand. It is people like you that build up unsustainable illusions about capitalism that inevitably result in disillusionment apathy and despair. At least socialists are realists when it comes to capitalism
Which means you don’t care if Nazis win. Well, thankfully, most sane people in the world don’t share your view. Only the propaganda-addled western publics of whom you’re all members.
________________________________________________________________There are Nazis in Ukraine but that does not mean the people as a whole or the government as a whole are Nazis. You might equally call the Russian regime Nazi because there are de facto Nazis there even if they don’t call themselves that. After all, the Russian regime is remarkably similar to the Ukrainian regime in being thoroughly autocratic and anti-democratic, ultra-nationalist, and run in the interests of a tiny class of oligarchs
So once again tell us, True Stalinist – what percentage of the Ukrainian, army, government, and population are actual bona fide Nazis? Why do you keep evading this question??
Finally, it is rich of you to accuse socialists of being members of the “propaganda-addled western public” when you yourself rely on right-wing western conspiracy sites and Russian propaganda sites in your craven support for the capitalist Putin regime. Socialists draw information from a range of sites but our anti-nationalist message is certainly not compatible with the propaganda pumped out by these sites. In no way could accuse us of being pro-Ukraine for example since we have made it abundantly clear we oppose both regimes in this capitalist conflict. Unlike yours, our brains are not addled
“Rubbish. You use Marxism to argue against actually existing Marxist societies. You are reactionaries.”
———————————————-This is the sort of bilge that right wing crusties and readers of the daily telegraph would say – “Marxist societies”. Jeez, what planet is this guy from?
Robotomy, I try to avoid commenting on the war until I’ve listened to analysis from those with military expertise or who have analysed what such people say. And, having done so, it seems clear that this was an orderly Russian retreat with no loss of life. Therefore, merely a tactical setback in one section of a hugely sprawling battlefield. The Russians have had plenty of them but the overall picture has always remained the same. They’re winning decisively.
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So a tactical retreat means “winning decisively”. LOL, And, by the way, it’s not just in one “section of a hugely sprawling battlefield” the Russian military is retreating with a huge loss of life. The same thing happened in the North too. It seems that the authoritarian capitalist regime of Ukraine is gaining ground over the authoritarian capitalist regime of Russia that you support. If I had to guess, the probable outcome is going to be a stalemate with no side winning decisively
“Bojo’s Brain keep your skat fantasies to yourself.”
Oh, so no explanation from you as to why you think the Ukrainian capture of Kherson is a striking example of how the Ukrainian regime is “decisively losing the war”. I am disappointed TS. I was so looking forward to yet another of your rambling incoherent attempts to square the circle
