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Yeah, I have chosen a side I wish to win, the side fighting the Nazis directly and Natostani imperialism indirectly, as all socialists should. Nowhere have I endorsed capitalism.
———————————————-You don’t need to say “I support capitalism” in order to support capitalism. You support capitalism because you thoroughly endorse its supporting ideology of nationalism as well as a key piece of its institutional architecture – the nation-state (you think “national sovereignty” is something to be valued!). And you previously poured scorn on the concept of Marxian socialism: a non-market stateless alternative to capitalism.
As previously explained you have no understanding of imperialism whatsoever. As a gullible right-wing supporter of Russian imperialism, you have that in common with naive leftists with their gibberish about “national liberation struggles”. Imperialism is not limited to overt military conquest. It is an expression of capitalism’s expansionist dynamic and since capitalism is global so is every part of the world, imperialist – latently or manifestly. Imperialism is hardwired into the very nature of the modern capitalist nation-state. Russia is no less imperialist than the US for example even if it is not as successful as an imperialist power as the US
_____________________________________________“LOL, you think Russia tried to take a city of 3 million with 30 thousand troops? What’s a word to describe someone whose stupider than a person lobotomosed?”
Look up the word “assault”, [insult removed by moderator].
Here, since you give a passable impression of being as thick as shite, I will help you with a definition randomly lifted from the interent: “Assault is generally defined as an intentional act that puts another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact.”
You don’t need to intend to capture a city of 3 million in order to “assault” it. Geddit?
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“Right, and all those tens of bilions of dollars of weapons NATO countries have sent to Ukraine, what happened to them? Oh that’s right, Russia destroyed them all.”Seriously? So the Russian military should have no problem strolling back into Kherson tomorrow in that case since it would have no reason to expect any military resistance. You are such a clown, TS
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“Defence spending in NATO countries is on the up as well.”
“More shit for Russia to destroy. Whose gonna tire of that equation first?”
Do you seriously imagine Russia’s capacity to manufacture advanced modern weaponry is greater than that of the NATO countries combined? You are living in a dream world TS.
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“If any country is being shredded militarily and economically apart from Ukraine it is Russia itself”A Robotomised Guardian Brah would think that. Meanwhile, in the real world…”
How many Russian soldiers do you think have been killed or wounded in this war, TS? How much Russian equipment has been destroyed or simply captured by the Ukrainian forces? Do you seriously imagine the Russian economy is not being seriously impacted by this war? What do you imagine the “real world” is outside of your little bubble, eh?
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“Evidently more than you. I know one of its adherents’ major tenets is solidarity. You have none with socialists anywhere in the world. It’s why your “party” is, and will always remain, irrelevant.”Drivel as usual. The comrades in the Azov battalion in Ukraine no doubt exhibit “solidarity” toward each other and by your pisspoor line of reasoning must therefore be considered as putting into effect a major tenet of “socialism”. Why don’t you trot off and join the Azov comrades in that case? You are the consummate muddlehead
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“I’m not a fan of authoritarianism”
But you have no problem supporting a thoroughly obnoxious authoritarian capitalist regime in its war against another equally obnoxious authoritarian capitalist regime. Logic was never your strong suite was it, TS?
Putin surely rivals Zelensky as the consummate opportunist capitalist politician
“Oh, that’s interesting. As I’ve no recollection of ever having done so, do quote my endorsement of capitalism. I have all year.”
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LOL You have unequivocally taken the side of the Russian capitalist regime in this dispute. That speaks for itself. Socialists don’t take sides in capitalist disputes. And you have made abundantly clear your disdain for Marxian socialism————————————–
“if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further?”Because the only way to protect Donbas is to defeat Ukraine militarily.
————————————Evasion. If the Putin capitalist regime wanted to “protect Donbas” why did it not simply station its troops in Donbas and go no further than the Donbas? All you are doing is desperately thrashing around trying to concoct some contrived reason for justifying Russian imperialism. Call a spade a spade
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“Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv?”
There was no assault on Kiev.
———————————Oh? You could have fooled me. Perhaps you haven’t been following the news. Perhaps like sleeping beauty, you have fallen into a deep sleep for most of the year https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-kyiv-fights-back-against-russian-assault/g-60930036
oh and by the way what are the missiles raining down on Kiev and other Ukrainian cities recently if not an “assault”?
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“The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.”All government is by definition authoritarian. Civilization cannot exist without a measure of authoritarianism. Only those with no understanding of how the world actually operates believe otherwise. That aside, Russia is shredding Ukraine’s military and demilitarising NATO. Explain to me how that is a blunder?
————————————————————LOL So much ignorance packed in so small a space! Demilitarising NATO? Gawd you are such a clown, TS. NATO has been MASSIVELY reinforced and bolstered thanks to Russia’s imperialist actions in Ukraine and its membership is set to expand too. Defence spending in NATO countries is on the up as well. If any country is being shredded militarily and economically apart from Ukraine it is Russia itself thanks to the decisions of your beloved hero, Mr Putin, whose books you adoringly lick like some besotted puppy. As for your point about government being authoritarian – yes that’s quite true. Or as Marx put it the state is inseparable from a condition of slavery and its very existence implies the existence of a ruling class. You might happily endorse the idea of a ruling class but socialists dont
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“You’re not socialists. You’re posers.”
———————————-Again. LOL. You haven’t got a clue about socialism, have you? So you are in no position to comment. But then right-wing fascists like yourself, endorsing an authoritarian capitalist regime such as exists in Russia (and equally in Ukraine) tend to be pretty clueless on this subject. Tell me TS do you exude the same feeling of warm sympathy and kindred spirit for other authoritarian figures such as Mr Trump as you do towards Mr Putin seeing as you are such a fan of authoritarianism? I’m just curious….
“When was Russia invaded? When was there any attack on Russia?”
When Donbass was recognised as independent it sought protection from Russia against Ukrainian agression.
__________________________________________Well from the capitalist perspective that TS endorses, if that was the case why did the Russian military not simply enter Donbas to “protect” it and go no further? Why attempt a doomed assault on Kyiv? The authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin blundered badly in its imperialist designs on Ukraine.
Not that we socialists care two hoots about the capitalist concept of the nation-state or so-called “national liberation”, mind you, even if a rabid anti-socialist right winger like TS evidently does
“Zelensky does nothing but lie. He’s been lying since he came into office. Since when has he paid a price? ”
——————————————BOTH sides lie but unlike bootlickers of the Putin capitalist regime like you, we socialists don’t fall for the lies of just one side. We condemn both
“Surely to bring pressure on NATO to intervene militarily.”
In which case Zelinsky has overreached himself and has shot himself in the foot by lying. It just goes to reinforce the point constantly made by socialists here- you cannot believe the propaganda emanating from either side in this sordid capitalist conflict. A plague on both their houses!
“Russia is helping to usher in a new, multipolar, anti-imperialist world order.”
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Absolute BS. TS does not know what imperialism is. What we are seeing is simply the slight reconfiguration of the imperialist world order with American imperialism standing to lose ground to Chinese imperialism. Capitalism is global. Imperialism is simply the political and economic expression of capitalism’s grow-or-die expansionist dynamic. Every corner of this capitalist world is latently or manifestly imperialist because every part of the world is capitalist“In June 1966 all teaching stopped in Chinese schools. Instead, pupils had to gaze at a portrait of Mao every day.”
—————————————————Came across this. Confirms the impression of Maoism as a mass religious cult. How anyone can fall for that BS is hard to fathom….
“More than 1 million schools and China’s 43 universities at the time were made to stop classes in 1966, soon after Nie’s poster. Schools reopened only in 1969, and colleges in 1970. A total of 107 million school students and 534,000 college students were impacted, according to Julia Kwong, professor of sociology at the University of Manitoba in Canada and author of the book Cultural Revolution in China’s Schools, May 1966–April 1969. Then, as now, China had the world’s largest education system.
“The Cultural Revolution has to be one of the biggest disruptions to education in the modern world … anywhere,” says Albert Park, professor of economics, social science and public policy at the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology.”
Interesting this – the circumstances surrounding the murder of the Wagner group recruit and ex-convict, Nuzhin. Goes to show you can’t trust the propaganda of either side in this stupid pointless capitalist conflict…..
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-kyiv-exchange-wagner-pmc-ex-con-beaten-death-russia-1759703
“Missile that hit Poland is unlikely to have been fired from Russia, Biden says”
For once Biden appears to be talking sense. Why would capitalist Russia want to widen the war against it? Same with the Nordstream pipeline incident. How would Russia have benefitted from it? We can’t believe the propaganda from western sources any more than we can believe the propaganda from Russian sources
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/missile-that-hit-poland-is-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-biden-says/ar-AA149QsJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=988488330c6048a1acc161e3316a0411Far from Russia “decisively winning the war”, it seems to be sustaining loss after loss and now, if these reports are correct, it is losing the support of China too. It is increasingly clear the authoritarian capitalist regime of Putin made a monumental blunder with its invasion of Ukraine
_______________________________________________________“We must firmly oppose politicisation, instrumentalisation and weaponisation of food and energy problems,” the Chinese president told the summit in Bali.
Mr Xi did not single out Russia and reiterated his opposition to Western sanctions policy, but the remarks will be seen as a signal of Beijing’s unease over the war and of Moscow’s growing isolation on the world stage.
According to Emmanuel Macron, Mr Xi also suggested Ukraine’s territorial integrity must be respected.
After meeting with his counterpart at the summit, the French president said: “Together with President Xi Jinping, we call for respect for the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine.”
War brutalizes all who support it. No side is worth supporting in this capitalist conflict. A plague on both their houses! The only sane and socialist response to the capitalist carnage
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“Reuters is carrying some additional details on the allegation that both Ukrainian and Russian forces have mistreated prisoners of war during the conflict.Matilda Bogner, head of the UN’s OHCHR monitoring mission, told a Geneva press briefing that the “vast majority” of Ukrainian prisoners they interviewed held by Russian forces reported torture and ill-treatment.
She gave examples of dog attacks, electric shocks with Tasers and military phones and sexual violence.
She said the treatment was aimed at intimidating and humiliating them. One man in a penal colony near Olenivka told the team that members of Russian-affiliated armed groups “attached wires to my genitalia and nose and shocked me. They simply had fun and were not interested in my replies to their questions.”
On the Ukrainian side, Bogner reported “credible allegations” of summary executions of Russian prisoners among other abuses.
Other Russian prisoners reported poor and humiliating conditions of transport and of being packed into trucks or vans naked, with their hands tied behind their backs. The UN team said it had also documented cases of so-called “welcome beatings” at a penal colony.”
“Robotomy, you know calling me a Stalinist isn’t insulting, right? It’s a badge of honor.”
———For you, it is no doubt but its good that you have come out into the open and revealed the intellectual basis of your obnoxious authoritarian outlook
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“– it is about gaining “huge swathes of territory and the resources and populations therein”.”Correlation is not causation. If the Russian speaking population inhabited barren, worthless desert the result would be the same.
—————————————Your idealist (non-Marxist) approach to understanding history is painfully obvious here. I guess you actually do believe that wars have nothing to do with the competitive struggle for markets, resources, trade routes, and so forth. In your mind, they are all about noble ideals – “freedom” “democracy” and so forth. You are just as naive and gullible as the supporters of the Ukrainian regime who assert that the war against Russia is a struggle against tyranny etc. Whether the “Russian speaking population inhabited barren, worthless desert the result would be the same” is something for which, as per usual, you provide zero evidence. It suits your style of “argument by assertion”. Like your daft claim that imperialist Russia is “decisively winning the war” having just lost Kherson and other parts of Ukraine
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“So all that talk about wanting to “de-nazify” Ukraine was a load of bollocks.”
It’s never only been about de-nazification. It’s also about demilitarization, ending Kiev’s vicious slaughter of the people of Donbas and security agreements guaranteeing no NATOstani (US) infrastructure on Russia’s border.
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We have already covered the question of de-Nazification. Ukraine is no more a Nazi state than Russia is – unless you want to render the term Nazi meaningless – though both are clearly repugnant authoritarian capitalist regimes. Naturally as a supporter of one of these you see no problem with the notion that Russia as a capitalist nation-state should be able to protect its “national security” – the nation-state itself being a capitalist construct. This is why you find it so hard to understand let alone appreciate the socialist opposition to war and to both sides in this conflict. Your whole outlook is thoroughly rooted in a capitalist ideology—————————————————-
“Putin is not an autocrat, he’s elected. If he was unpopular he’d be voted out of office. The Russian people don’t do so because he enjoys huge popular support. Under his leadership the looting of Russia was halted and its sovereignty restored.”
———————————–LOL TS . You live on another planet. So the muzzling of opposition parties and the press, the suppression of protests etc etc is not clear proof that we talking about an autocratic regime, is it?. BTW Being autocratic does not necessarily mean being unpopular. The de facto monarch of capitalist North Korea Kim Jong-un is an autocrat by any standard but is no doubt “popular” ‘ meaning if you don’t display your craven support for him things could happen to you – and your family
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“Mr Putin is the best recruiting sergeant for the cause of the small Ukrainian Nazi movement they could ever have hoped for.”That’s perfectly OK. As a result more Nazis will die. It’s a win-win.
——————So your answer to the nazi problem is to become like a nazi yourself. Kill anyone who holds an opinion you disagree with
And remind me how losing WW2 influenced even more Germans into embracing Nazi ideology? Oh that’s right, it didn’t.
________________________________________________There is a big difference. Nazi Germany invaded Russia. This time around it was Russia that invaded Ukraine. From the point of someone adhering to a nationalist ideology that matters. This is why an invading army finds it so much more difficult to hold on to another country than to conquer it. Not only was the Russian invasion force too small to conquer Ukraine but from the standpoint of maintaining control over the territory the size of the invasion force was even less adequate. Under Russian control, Ukrainian fascism would have likely grown in strength
