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“Could it be that a fascist thinker could conflate anti-fascism with fascism!”
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LB, it´s difficult to know in the case of our resident Putin bootlicker. He claims to be an antifascist but some of the sentiments he expresses have a fascist ring to them. In theory, I guess it is possible for an avowed “anti-fascist” to be a fascist in practice in everything but name…
“The difficulty Bojo’s half-baked Brains has is understanding nuance. He is such a pure-driven snowflake that any departure from his infantile utopian vision of socialism equals fascism.”
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Why am I not surprised at TS´s latest feeble attempt to ridicule socialism and thereby confirm his proud allegiance to capitalism? It is equally amusing that he thinks socialists think anyone who is not a socialist is a fascist. That’s complete baloney of course – there are plenty of non-fascist opponents of socialism – but it is not us but TS who is indiscriminately applying the term fascism to include, for example, the entire population of Ukraine. I guess he imagines that the kids whose maimed bodies lie under the rubble of buildings collapsed by Russian missiles are hardened stalwarts of the Hitlerite Youth Brigade who deserved to be “turned into fertiliser”. This guy is some seriously fucked up human being
“That is precisely the kind of statement you might expect a fascist to say”
Lol. Because being anti-fascist is actually fascist. Just like being vegetarian is actually carnivorous. Erm, WTF?!
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Logic evidently is not your forte. If I said all black swans are birds does that mean that all birds are black swans? It is possible to be a non-fascist while uttering fascist-like sentiments
As a bootlicker of the capitalist warlord Putin, it is not entirely clear whether or not your worldview is a fascist one in all but name. It is not unknown for self-declared fascists to support the Russian side of the conflict just it is not unknown for there to be self-declared fascists supporting the Ukrainian side (like some in the infamous Azov battalion) – though I suspect in both cases we are talking about a relatively small minority. I note that you have studiously evaded answering the question concerning what proportion of the Ukrainian population you consider to be fascists. Many Ukrainians apparently regard Russia to be a modern reincarnation of Nazi Germany but I suspect that is no more credible than your claim that Ukraine is a Nazi state.
What is credible is that both regimes are corrupt far-right repressive capitalist oligarchies and while you have opted to support one of these as a gullible dupe of Russian capitalist propaganda, you could just as easily be supporting the other. I have encountered your type supporting the Ukrainian side coming out with the same hysterical nationalist BS as you do
“Fascism is the enemy. The brains demented by it sometimes need putting down.”
That is precisely the kind of statement you might expect a fascist to say
!Watching/reading MSM about Ukraine actually makes you stupid. Ukraine is losing this conflict and badly.
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-world-blood?utm_medium=reader2″
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Doesn’t this just make you sick – these self-appointed and oh-so-smug armchair war strategists pompously predicting the outcome of the war from the comfort zone of their bedroom/basement/garage? It reminds one of some maladjusted teenager addicted to computer war games. Will the evil emperor Zol and his hordes of orcs prevail over the sexy swordfighter, Lana, who has the ability to do cartwheels in the air before slicing some ugly orc in half? Such people seriously need to get a life.
This is all a complete distraction from what is the real issue. This war, irrespective of which capitalist warlord is going to “win” it, is a fucking disaster for the working class across the world. It has got us where the capitalists want us – picking sides and seeing other workers as the enemy
“BS. Without an army one is defenceless. No point even discussing revolution unless one is prepared to defend it from counter-revolutionary violence. Violence which is guaranteed.”
======================Revolution is one thing, supporting the capitalist aims of a capitalist regime like Putin´s or Zelensky’s is quite another. While there is no guarantee that a democratic socialist revolution undertaken by an anti-nationalist and united world working class will not encounter some violent resistance (even if, most likely, minimal), the much-preferred stance of socialists is for a completely peaceful and democratic social transformation or revolution. There are many precedents of “people´s power” overthrowing a regime with minimal or no bloodshed.
And, yes, mercenaries and soldiers are workers. So what? By acting as soldiers and mercenaries on behalf of a capitalist warlord like Putin or Zelensky, they are acting against their class interests. Socialists are quite right to criticise them for doing this. The more Russian and Ukrainian soldiers abandon the field of military conflict the better frankly
“Despite all this, leftwing union leaders like Lynch and Graham will still be calling, even if lukewarmly, for workers to vote for the Labour Party in the coming general election. They must know that they will live to regret this as, sooner or later, they will come into conflict with a Labour government over their members’ pay.”
___________________________Perhaps now might be the time for the Socialist Party to devote more attention to the (equally) grim prospect of the so-called Labour Party forming the next capitalist government. No more so-called “lesser-evilest” arguments for (reluctantly) voting Labour! This so-called lesser-evilest approach is part of the problem. It is what ensures or paves the way for the greater evil coming to prevail eventually. Except that I do not now believe there is any basis for even distinguishing between Labour and the Tories as lesser or greater evils. They are effectively the same thing
It would be good also to produce some material – maybe a leaflet for mass distribution perhaps – particularly directed at trade unions, calling on them to completely disaffiliate from the Labour Party. That should provoke some useful responses
“TS likes to use the term Zionazis”
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There are Nazis in Ukraine in the sense of self identifying supporters of Nazi ideology. But I still want to know from people like TS here what proportion of the population or even the military, count as Nazis. And what about Russia? You could just as easily argue it too has its Nazi supporters. They are Nazis in all but name. The Wagner group springs to mind. Some of Medvedev´s recent comments sound pretty Nazi like to me.
I come across the expression so often from supporters of the Russian capitalist regime that Russia is waging a holy war against the “Ukranazi state”. At the very least it is diversionary BS given that there is precious little to differentiate the corrupt repressive Putin regime from the corrupt repressive Zelensky regime. Why then would the former seek to invade the latter if it seriously took exception to the character and ideological outlook of the latter
Name-calling is all too often substitute for, and an excuse not to engage in, serious analysis. The pretext for war is very rarely the same thing as the reason for war. Zelensky is no different from Putin in his crazed desire to take territory for his beloved Ukraine as his recent rantings at the Davos summit reveal. To hell with the lot of them. They make me sick.
TS: “More than any flake on this website that’s for sure.”
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At least no one here on this website apologises for a disgusting capitalist regime like Putin´s (or Zelensky´s, for that matter) – apart from you, that is. That is the real issue at hand, not who is “winning” this war (and we cannot trust the propaganda coming from either side when it comes to that deciding on that). Whoever “wins” it will certainly not be either Russian or Ukrainian workers
The fact that members of the working class on both sides of this conflict, are dying for the utterly stupid disgusting capitalist cause of nationalism seems to be of zero concern to you. That speaks volumes.
“The event was the latest in a series of protest actions, including strikes, by Madrid’s public health workers against the capital region’s government. The unions said Madrid spends the least amount per capita on primary health care of any Spanish region even though it has the highest per capita income. They claim that for every 2 euros spent on health care in Madrid, one ends up in the private sector.”
————————————–Andalucía (where I live) is reputedly one of the poorest regions but also has one of the best healthcare systems in the country. It is currently under PP (conservative) control but is traditionally PSOE – like some of the “red wall” constituencies in England. I’ve had reason to use the public health care system system several times – both A&E and primary health care and it is good – far better than the rip-off private hospitals
“It really feels like in the near future society will either evolve to socialism or descend into a feudal like society where machines produce the large sum of products while most people get by on some sort of UBI plan or become mere entertainment for the lords. I don’t forsee capitalism surviving automation.”
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TBH I am sceptical about the possibility of capitalism imploding as a result of automation. The employed workforce worldwide has, after all, been growing not diminishing in the face of increasing mechanisation, robotisation and automation – although the composition and location of the workforce has changed. For example over 80 per cent of manufacturing now takes place in the global South
Alarmist stories of jobs being decimated are, I think, a bit exaggerated. Partly, this is because what is being looked at is only one segment of the production chain. A machine might make three workers redundant when it once took , say, 5 workers to do the job in question , leaving only 2 workers needed to get done. But this is to overlook the additional labour required to produce the machine itself or the additional labour required to produce the inputs that go into making that machine
Partly also it is because what is more likely to happen is that the nature of the job will change rather than the job itself will disappear . According to a recent MCkinsey Report:
“Almost half the activities people are paid almost
$16 trillion in wages to do in the global economy
have the potential to be automated by adapting
currently demonstrated technology, according
to our analysis of more than 2,000 work activities
across 800 occupations. While less than 5 percent
of all occupations can be automated entirely using
demonstrated technologies, about 60 percent of all
occupations have at least 30 percent of constituent
activities that could be automated. More occupations
will change than will be automated away”(McKinsey Global Initiative,
“A FUTURE THAT WORKS:
AUTOMATION, EMPLOYMENT,
AND Productivity”
June 2017)I think from a socialist point of view the more interesting trend to focus on would be the growing proportion of “socially useless labour” in capitalism (not the same thing as “unproductive” or non-profit-producing labour) which you might be hinting at in your comment….
Capitalism is back in business in China. Not that ever was not except in the mind of deluded Maoists
“Vice-premier Liu He, the economic plenipotentiary of Xi Jinping’s China, told a gathering of business leaders and ministers in Davos that China is back inside the tent and eager to restore the money-making bonhomie of the golden years.
“We must let the market play the fundamental role in the allocation of resources, and let the government play a better role. Some people say China will go for the planned economy. That’s by no means possible,” he said.”
“Erm, no. A stalemate is when neither side is winning. Russia is winning decisively. It takes a long time to turn an army of 600k into fertilizer.”
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The same dehumanising fascistic metaphor from our resident Putin bootlicker. Are fellow workers foolishly fighting other workers for the sake of their respective capitalist warlords to be regarded as “fertiliser”? This is the language of people who supported the use of the gas chambers in world war two.
Apart from that Russia is not winning decisively (present tense). It might theoretically win decisively in the future in the “logistics war” or it might not. None of us possesses a crystal ball. But anyone who interprets recent military developments in this war as Russia “winning decisively” is either living in cloud cuckoo land or has a poor grasp of the English language. Talk of the “noose now (tightening) around Bhakmut” . The Russian military and their private enterprise affiliates have been struggling for months to capture this place at the cost of huge numbers of causalities. Nothing decisive about this at all . This is to say nothing of Russian retreats elsewhere in Ukraine.
This is a squalid capitalist war over rival capitalist interests that looks likely to drag for quite a while.
“Who’s victory would that be?”
One capitalist warlord as against the other. The workers on both sides would yet again be the losers. But TS couldn’t care a toss about the interests of the workers in this sordid capitalist war- He is too busy licking his master´s boot
“…unconditional opposition to Russian invasion of Ukraine, NATO and the neo–Nazi Azov battalion in Ukraine is central to left politics for peace, solidarity and internationalism. It is ideological bankruptcy and reactionary politics to choose one over the other in the name of fighting the enemy and protecting the territorial sovereignty… Territorial nationalism is a ruling class ideology…”
_____________________________That´s refreshing to hear! Why is it so difficult for some people to comprehend that opposing one side does not have to mean supporting the other? We are under no obligation to support either side. To do so means in effect you are supporting capitalism, anyway.
