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“At the time they said it was Russia. Now they are revealing that the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline was organised by some Ukrainian oligarch. I wonder why they are revealing it now.”
On this subject…
“I didn’t want to be rude but how the hell would he know what the Nazi was thinking? The sick ideology of Bandera is the state religion of Ukraine. The Nazis there are real, armed and fanatical.
Not all Germans were Nazis either. Therefore Germany wasn’t Nazi. Lol.”
________________________________________________________Except, of course, that Ukraine doesn’t claim to be a Nazi regime and many Ukrainians actually describe Russia as a fascist regime. That description of Russia has about as much credibility as Putin´s claim about “denazifying” Ukraine. It’s bullshit propaganda from a capitalist warlord trying to justify Russian imperialism by making unwarranted assertions that resonate with Russia´s historical experience of being invaded by Nazi Germany.
I repeat again the point that has been made constantly here – if Ukraine is a Nazi regime then so is Russia, They are very similar in outlook and practice. Both are right-wing, authoritarian oligrachies. Both harbour actual Nazis and in Ukraine´s case the numbers are relatively small and insignificant. Insofar as Bandera is revered in Ukraine it is far more for his ultranationalism than for his fascism.
In this article, it is argued that these small fascist-infested groups like the Azov regiment are being used by the Ukrainian state, not because it endorses the latter´s ideology but because it considers them useful to the cause of Ukrainian nationalism
“Which will be soundly turned into fertilizer as Russia has a 10:1 artillery shell advantage.”
Yeah and while you’re at it, why not throw old folk and children too into the pot/meat grinder/gas chamber or whatever other disgusting metaphor you want to employ? I guess they all make for good fertilizer in your eyes. This is the language of a sociopathic Nazi for whom war is just a game of strategy best viewed from the comfort of an armchair and for whom the lives of workers, deluded though they may be the mental disease of nationalism on both sides, count for nothing.
Talking of Nazis, I can´t help but notice that “True Nazi” as BD calls this individual with good reason, has once again balked at answering my question. So once again, TS, how many actual Nazis do you reckon are on the Ukrainian side and how many are on the Russian side? Hard evidence would be appreciated….
“It’s completely encircled. Mariuopol 2.0. How long you think the Nazis are gonna hold out?”
Once again we see this assertion made by our resident Putin bootlicker. In what sense are the Ukrainian side all “Nazis” and the Russian side not at all? There are self-identifying Nazis on both sides but does that mean that every Ukrainian soldier holed up in Bahkmut is a “Nazi”? If so, where is the evidence? One could just as easily assert that Russian imperialism is driven by a Nazi-type ideology in all but name which is precisely what many pro-Ukrainian supporters are saying. They argue that Russia is actually a fascist state which on the face of it suggests that they themselves disassociate themselves from Nazi ideology.
I suspect the vast majority of soldiers on both sides are not Nazis – just deluded nationalists like TS himself
Pretty damning analysis of the antics of the Israeli apartheid state
There are historical precedents for this sort of talk…
In the early 19th century, the Scottish merchant, Patrick Colquhoun, who
set up the country’s first private “preventative” police force to
deter incidents of theft among poorly paid dockworkers, declared:“Poverty is therefore a most necessary and indispensable
ingredient in society…It is the source of wealth, since without
poverty, there could be no labour; there could be no riches, no
refinement, no comfort, and no benefit to those who may be
possessed of wealth. (Patrick Colquhoun, 1806, A Treatise on
Indigence, London)Another commentator, the Reverend Joseph Townsend, was
even more brutally forthright on the matter[Direct] legal constraint [to labour] . . . is attended with too much
trouble, violence, and noise, . . . whereas hunger is not only a
peaceable, silent, unremitted pressure, but as the most natural
motive to industry, it calls forth the most powerful exertions. . . . Hunger will tame the fiercest animals, it will teach decency and
civility, obedience and subjugation to the most brutish, the most
obstinate, and the most perverse. (Joseph Townsend, 1786, A
Dissertation on the Poor Laws)“What percentage of Germans were Nazis? And what does it even matter? If you’re fighting for a Nazi state you are as guilty as the criminals ordering you to battle.”
__________________________________________________________________–Ukraine no more claims to be a Nazi state than Russia does even though both sides have Nazis fighting for them and both claim the other side is Nazi. Given the remarkable similarity between these regimes if according to him Ukraine is a Nazi state then why is Russia also not a Nazi state in all but name?
“Ritter thinks Moscow will give Kiev one last chance to negotiate after Donbass is taken. If the offer is refused, it’ll be all the way to the Polish border.”
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…As one might expect of an imperialist capitalist regime like Russia even if its imperialism is not quite as geographically successful as NATO imperialism (which has recently expanded thanks in part to Russia´s own imperialistic annexations and militaristic interventions ….)
Moreover, the Nazis in Kiev have fed most of their best troops into the battle there allowing Russia to proceed with its main mission of de-Nazifying and demilitarisaing Ukraine.
____________________________________________________Once again TS shows his idealist and distinctly non-materialist interpretation of the events unfolding in Ukraine by depicting it as some kind of epic struggle between Nazis and Anti-Nazi ideals. This notwithstanding the fact that there are very clearly self-identifying Nazis fighting on BOTH sides of this capitalist conflict and this notwithstanding the fact that the Russian and Ukrainian regimes are remarkably similar in outlook and practice – far right, authoritarian ultranationalistic and corrupt oligarchies. If Ukraine is a Nazi state then so too is Russia in all but name.
On the question of idealism, I wonder if he endorses Putin´s quasi-mystical putrid nationalism and frankly homophobic sentiments in his recent rant against “western decadence”.
I have still to get an answer from our resident Putin bootlicker regarding what proportion of the Ukrainian population does he consider to be Nazis 5%? 20% 70% What? It is curious that he is so reluctant to address this question. I wonder why….
These two idiots grandstanding and calling for jets to be given to the Ukrainian regime. Expect more working-class lives to be lost in the stupid senseless capitalist war. Capitalism is truly a sociopathic disorder
“Fighting Nazis is glorious work. Nazi “workers” are still Nazis. The lowest form of life. They’d happily put a bullet in the back of your head what with you being a professed “socialist”. Obviously, you’re not a socialist but you’re too dumb to figure that out and so are Nazis so bullet it would be. Lol”
___________________________________________________This is the kind of sentiment you would expect a Nazi to say. The only difference between our virulently anti-socialist troll for Russian imperialism and a Nazi lies in the label. He would happily put a bullet in the back of some Ukrainian worker at the behest of his beloved capitalist warlord, Putin, except for the fact that he evidently hasn’t got the balls to volunteer and enlist for the side fighting for Russian capitalism against the equally odious cause of Ukrainian capitalism. He is all mouth, our TS, and no trousers.
This crass idealist thinks this war is being fought over ideals – Nazism versus anti-Nazism – but has yet to tell us what proportion of the Ukrainian population are Nazis in his opinion to justify his stance and, also, why it is that there are self-declared Nazis fighting on the side of Russian capitalism. Perhaps the thought of children and old folk buried under the rubble of buildings destroyed by Russian missiles must strike him as a “glorious” spectacle to behold. Personally, I think the views TS expresses are sick and disgusting. They betray a sociopathic anti-working-class view of the world.
Yes, I know the Ukrainian side has done equally horrendous things – like the bombing of Donbas since 2014 with the loss of thousands of civilian lives – and I am no less critical of them. But two wrongs don’t make a right. At the root of all this is minds diseased by toxic nationalism and its Big Lie – that workers have a country to defend. The hell they do.
War and warmongering turns all who advocate for it into de facto NAZIS – or Nazis in all but name – in their callous disregard for human life
This is an interesting situation. If the Putin regime justifies its imperialist annexation of the Donbas etc on the grounds that the local inhabitants wanted it, how would it respond to an attempt by one part of Russia – in this case, Siberia – to secede from Moscow rule if a majority of the citizens of Siberia wanted it? Surely, it would be a clear case of double standards if it refused them the right to do so?
I don’t know how serious is this drive toward “Siberian independence” and it is of little consequence or interest, anyway. All nationalism is a load of utter claptrap whether it is Ukrainian nationalism or Russian nationalism or British nationalism. But it is significant – is it not? – that in Russia´s case, these independence referendums are not binding, “and may be illegal under a law against challenging Russia’s “territorial integrity”. ” What does that tell you?
An interesting article on the munitions question:
“Russia also requires vast amounts of ammunition. However, Putin has put his entire economy on a war footing. It is not subject to the same commercial constraints as Nato’s defence industry, and Russian producers are not constrained by concerns over industrial safety. Nato must strive to ramp up production before Moscow resolves the inefficiencies, corruption and inertia of its manufacturing base.”
Thanks to the loathsome capitalist warmongers on both sides of this sordid conflict we can expect to see much more spent on the military in the future at the expense of socially useful production – not to mention tens of thousands of working-class lives lost for the sake of their respective capitalist warlords, Messrs Putin and Zelensky. It makes you sick at the very thought of it….
The capitalist “Labour” Party, even more than the capitalist Tory Party, is now the “Party of Business” according to this report. How is it even remotely possible for anyone with even the slightest pretensions to being a “socialist”, to remain in this shoddy disreputable capitalist outfit or to urge that we vote for it on the grounds that it is the so-called “lesser evil”
“Rubbish. Russia has no imperial ambitions. Quite the opposite. It is at the coal face of the struggle against NATOstani(read US) imperial hegemony. If you weren’t blinkered by ideology you would know this. But you can only lead a horse to water. You can’t make it drink.”
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Once again TS demonstrates he has no understanding of what imperialism means. He equates this merely with territorial expansion backed by military force – although even on this very narrow definition Russia qualifies, without a shadow of doubt, as an imperialist power. How else are we to understand the annexation of Crimea and the Donbas for example?
His idealist and emphatically non-materialist explanation for the war in Ukraine gives overriding importance to the role of ideology. This is a struggle against Nazism according to TS (notwithstanding that there is little to choose between the Ukrainian and Russian regimes in terms of their repressive authoritarian character or that self-identifying Nazis can be found on both sides of this conflict). TS has rejected the Marxist explanation that at the root of this conflict is the usual capitalist rivalries over markets, resources, trade routes, and points of strategic importance.
True to his conspiracy-coloured view of the world, he refers to some neo-con think tank white papers and RAND reports (no references provided) to bolster his view that Western imperialist powers seek to “break up Russia into statelets, pauperise the population, privatise all state assets and steal anything not nailed to the floor” All this, he assures, “you will find written in exquisite detail” in the aforementioned papers and reports. Maybe you can (or maybe you can´t) but it does not follow that the events that unfolded in Ukraine can be explained in terms of stated intentions and hallucinatory fantasies expressed by a handful of neocon crazies in some relatively obscure publications which 99.999% of the population would not have clapped eyes upon.
That is not the way a “materialist” would analyse the situation and, of course, it hardly needs to be pointed out that it was the Russian oligarchs themselves (mostly ex-high-ranking apparatchiks of the pseudo-Russian “communist” party) who were at the forefront of “privatising state assets and stealing everything not nailed to the floor” following the collapse of Soviet state capitalism. The Putin regime is precisely the official representative of this Russian oligarchic capitalist class with Putin himself being one of them
