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I don’t know, because it’s a reflection of reality. You know, that thing that’s going on around you? Having only a half dozen brain cells I’m sure the significance of such a thing escapes you.
____________________________lol. For someone who has the nerve to insult other people about having “Having only a half dozen brain cells” – Lizzie where is your self-righteous condemnation of TS and his “repetitive abuse” or is it only the SPGB you’ve got it in for?” – you sure know to miss the point, don’t you?
What I was questioning the relevance of was academic debates about precisely how many combatants on either side of this stupid capitalist war have been killed when the real issue should be how to stop this pointless slaughter from the standpoint of the working class.
You are never going to get an accurate picture anyway. The Ukrainian capitalist state lies. The Russian capitalist state lies. And so too do their respective supporters.
When mainstream American media is finally admitting 100,000 dead Ukrainian troops, you know the real number is double that. So come on you bunch of dumb fucks, tell me how wrong I am about casualty figures!
——————-How is that relevant to what socialists are talking about, eh? You obviously support the death cult that is capitalism but socialists look upon the obscenity of modern warfare and the mass murder of thousands of workers from a completely different standpoint. Not a single drop of working-class blood is worth shedding for the cause of capitalism, let alone the blood of 100,000 workers or whatever the actual figure is that you armchair military strategists like to debate about…
“TS has certainly been the butt of repetitive abuse”
“Pot” and “kettle” are the words that spring to mind there in his – and your- case. And why, anyway, are you jumping to the defense of an authoritarian nationalist supporter of a capitalist warlord and one who gleefully talks of turning fellow workers into “fertilizer”? Are you of like mind perhaps?
“Yeah, that hadn’t escaped my attention TS ”
lol. You’re not very attentive then. A certain supporter of Russian capitalism here has been the butt of some excellent humour – and rightly so – in case you hadn’t noticed
An article by Michael Hudson I came across. He reckons “The crashes of Silvergate, Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank and the related bank insolvencies are much more serious than the 2008-09 crash”. We shall see how things turn out…
“Israel is becoming a fascist state” Andrew Feinstein
He is right, of course. The war is a war of inter-imperialist rivalries. All sides in this obscene capitalist conflict need to be firmly opposed. The sooner the better.
https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-says-ukraine-war-fuelled-not-just-by-russian-empire-2023-03-10/
“I ignore Knobbo…”
……………………And one can well understand why TS. Your pathetic and infantile mode of arguing mimics the playground behavior of a school kid who runs around making taunting insults to anyone he takes a dislike to and never hanging around to hear the response.
I have persistently pressed you to justify your claim that Ukraine is a “Nazi regime” with facts and figures but you have repeatedly declined to do so. It’s like you are running scared of any serious debate. There are Nazis on both sides of this conflict but that does not make either of these obnoxious authoritarian regimes, “Nazi”.
And your blanket description of all Ukrainians as Nazis is precisely the kind of dumb generalisation you would expect a fascist in all but name like yourself to make. Dehumanize your fellow workers, all the better to turn them into “fertilizer” (your favourite word)
You’re one sad and sorry excuse for a human being, aren’t you TS? – sitting there in the comfort of your armchair playing silly war games with other peoples` lives….
“At the time they said it was Russia. Now they are revealing that the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipeline was organised by some Ukrainian oligarch. I wonder why they are revealing it now.”
On this subject…
“I didn’t want to be rude but how the hell would he know what the Nazi was thinking? The sick ideology of Bandera is the state religion of Ukraine. The Nazis there are real, armed and fanatical.
Not all Germans were Nazis either. Therefore Germany wasn’t Nazi. Lol.”
________________________________________________________Except, of course, that Ukraine doesn’t claim to be a Nazi regime and many Ukrainians actually describe Russia as a fascist regime. That description of Russia has about as much credibility as Putin´s claim about “denazifying” Ukraine. It’s bullshit propaganda from a capitalist warlord trying to justify Russian imperialism by making unwarranted assertions that resonate with Russia´s historical experience of being invaded by Nazi Germany.
I repeat again the point that has been made constantly here – if Ukraine is a Nazi regime then so is Russia, They are very similar in outlook and practice. Both are right-wing, authoritarian oligrachies. Both harbour actual Nazis and in Ukraine´s case the numbers are relatively small and insignificant. Insofar as Bandera is revered in Ukraine it is far more for his ultranationalism than for his fascism.
In this article, it is argued that these small fascist-infested groups like the Azov regiment are being used by the Ukrainian state, not because it endorses the latter´s ideology but because it considers them useful to the cause of Ukrainian nationalism
“Which will be soundly turned into fertilizer as Russia has a 10:1 artillery shell advantage.”
Yeah and while you’re at it, why not throw old folk and children too into the pot/meat grinder/gas chamber or whatever other disgusting metaphor you want to employ? I guess they all make for good fertilizer in your eyes. This is the language of a sociopathic Nazi for whom war is just a game of strategy best viewed from the comfort of an armchair and for whom the lives of workers, deluded though they may be the mental disease of nationalism on both sides, count for nothing.
Talking of Nazis, I can´t help but notice that “True Nazi” as BD calls this individual with good reason, has once again balked at answering my question. So once again, TS, how many actual Nazis do you reckon are on the Ukrainian side and how many are on the Russian side? Hard evidence would be appreciated….
“It’s completely encircled. Mariuopol 2.0. How long you think the Nazis are gonna hold out?”
Once again we see this assertion made by our resident Putin bootlicker. In what sense are the Ukrainian side all “Nazis” and the Russian side not at all? There are self-identifying Nazis on both sides but does that mean that every Ukrainian soldier holed up in Bahkmut is a “Nazi”? If so, where is the evidence? One could just as easily assert that Russian imperialism is driven by a Nazi-type ideology in all but name which is precisely what many pro-Ukrainian supporters are saying. They argue that Russia is actually a fascist state which on the face of it suggests that they themselves disassociate themselves from Nazi ideology.
I suspect the vast majority of soldiers on both sides are not Nazis – just deluded nationalists like TS himself
Pretty damning analysis of the antics of the Israeli apartheid state
There are historical precedents for this sort of talk…
In the early 19th century, the Scottish merchant, Patrick Colquhoun, who
set up the country’s first private “preventative” police force to
deter incidents of theft among poorly paid dockworkers, declared:“Poverty is therefore a most necessary and indispensable
ingredient in society…It is the source of wealth, since without
poverty, there could be no labour; there could be no riches, no
refinement, no comfort, and no benefit to those who may be
possessed of wealth. (Patrick Colquhoun, 1806, A Treatise on
Indigence, London)Another commentator, the Reverend Joseph Townsend, was
even more brutally forthright on the matter[Direct] legal constraint [to labour] . . . is attended with too much
trouble, violence, and noise, . . . whereas hunger is not only a
peaceable, silent, unremitted pressure, but as the most natural
motive to industry, it calls forth the most powerful exertions. . . . Hunger will tame the fiercest animals, it will teach decency and
civility, obedience and subjugation to the most brutish, the most
obstinate, and the most perverse. (Joseph Townsend, 1786, A
Dissertation on the Poor Laws)“What percentage of Germans were Nazis? And what does it even matter? If you’re fighting for a Nazi state you are as guilty as the criminals ordering you to battle.”
__________________________________________________________________–Ukraine no more claims to be a Nazi state than Russia does even though both sides have Nazis fighting for them and both claim the other side is Nazi. Given the remarkable similarity between these regimes if according to him Ukraine is a Nazi state then why is Russia also not a Nazi state in all but name?
