Ozymandias
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ParticipantWhat I forgot to say was that I was so full of excitement when I watched his Newsnight interview because he appeared to be compleltely real and genuine. But he's an actor at the end of the day. He might even end up like Glenda Jackson. With that Miliband shit he burst the bubble. Big style. I think he's being told what to say.
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ParticipantHello Vin. Yes mate I have read the whole jumble on Kindle. I would say he's 60% there. But for me that might as well be 6% or 0.6% or even 0.06% cos even 90% is still too far in the distance. I was hyperventilating when I saw him thrash Paxman (and then Evan Davis…did anyone see that?) but now it's just that sickening feeling of disillusionment. I agree the party shouldn't go "look at us look at us " to these people. But it's either that or languishing in obscurity for another 111 years because people like Brand will never approach the party. Probably never.
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ParticipantAnd there's no way Brand holds 90% of the party case in his head. Who knows, perhaps he's been told to simmer down or maybe he's been used as a puppet for the owning class all along.
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ParticipantMate we are brainwashed in Capitalism from day one of life. How different it would be if along with the colossal bourgeois media empire there existed a parallel universe of Socialist media. School books, university courses, TV shows, current affairs, movies, books, radio shows, art, music…all about socialism. Mate you are talking as if all the worlds workers for the last 200 hundred years are completely clued up with Socialism and they are just self sobaotaging by not going for it. The majority of the 99% have just never ever heard an alternative put forward as a contrast to the shit we are all dished up every day. The mode of capitalist indoctrination is vast and utterly all encompassing…on all levels overt and covert, perceptible and subliminal. We've also been living in some form of private property society for about 10,000 years (or something) so many attitudes are hot wired into us. However there's more and more anger and dissatisfaction now. Btw the guy (Lbird?) who lumped the SPGB in with all the other arseholes calling themselves socialists is wrong. The SPGB has never bulshitted a worker in its 111 year history. It's is the anthithesis of bullshit mate. You're the bullshit artiste.
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ParticipantDahling!
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ParticipantAlbeit a very enlightened one.
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ParticipantDidn't think much of his song about Mayday. Like many pop/rock singers his diction was appaling . Just couldn't make out what he was singing about. And to use William Morris' Walthamstow mansion as a backdrop kind of defeats the purpose. Morris was a Mine Owner and a Capitalist at the end of the day.
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ParticipantPathetic. Couldn't watch any more of it. Just a celebrity in awe of another celebrity.
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ParticipantSurely here he was referring to Russia etc. His remark about Christianity is dodgy as fuck though.
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ParticipantAch well. It was just a thought. I know Brand is basically a reformist and his meeting with Miliband is proof positive. Brand never goes far enough and from what I've read it looks as if Miliband swayed him. Fuckin hell! I guess the whole world and his dog will be sniffing about to get on his show. I just don't know how the party will ever get out of its quagmire of obscurity. It's a fuckin shame.
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ParticipantCouldn't the party get an interview on "The Trews"?
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ParticipantWell I might have set the ball rolling with the Kliman thing. In a similar vein wouldn't it be an idea to do a video of a party member being interview by this taxi driver guy in his cab?. Could you contact him and angle it as opportunity to give him the party case as well as an opportunity to speak about real democracy and comment about the farce of the election. I watched him interviewing Brand and both of them seem desperate for answers.
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ParticipantWho are these Cristicuffs guys? Are they like Anti Capitalists or TZM minded?
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ParticipantRecently some poor guy in Telford succeeded in throwing himself to his death because of the encouraging shouts of "Jump", "Get on with it" and "How far can you bounce?" from a crowd of "Workers" below him. Some of these fuckin cretins were filming this horror on their smartphones then uploading it onto "social media" for a laugh. This isn't the first time this kind of thing has happened. Well the smartphone phenomenon is making our glorious "working class" anything but smart. Let's face it they were a shower of stupid bastards before all of this…now made even more stupid with the emergence of this technology. They are more addicted, more myopic, more desensitised and more detached as a consequence. This is what you are dealing with now. The masters are turning them all into DRONES! You only have to look at the kids. World Socialism? That'll be right…FORGET IT!
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ParticipantUch ah wiz only kiddin ye on ya bam!
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