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September 24, 2015 at 8:53 am in reply to: Surges in support or membership of political parties #114435
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ParticipantAre surges in support or membership for newly credible political parties or movements mainly, mostly or all simply a case of workers 'jumping on bandwagons'?
September 24, 2015 at 8:26 am in reply to: Surges in support or membership of political parties #114433jondwhite
ParticipantIts funny you should mention 'critical mass' as this is something studied in sociodynamics (there is a book called Critical Mass by Philip Ball for example). Smallness does not seem to have been a problem for many new political movements recently including the Zeitgeist Movement in 2009, the Occupy Movement explosion in 2011, or slightly less new and more established, the Green party of England and Wales in 2014.
Quote:In December 2014, the Green Party announced that it had more than doubled its overall membership from 1 January that year to 30,809And if Sandi Toksvig is to be believed 1,300 people joined her Women's Equality party and 68 local groups have been formed since its formation six months ago.I don't think the 'what to do in the meantime' is the problem either. The answer is 'vote for the socialist party', 'support the socialist party' and 'join the socialist party'. Or at least it isn't any more of a problem than what Labour and Tory branches do between elections. They're not running the party or the policy so what are they doing 'in the meantime'?The membership test might have something to do with it, but I suspect if the membership test were abolished tomorrow, there would not be a major surge in membership either of socialists or non-socialists.It goes back to the question Walsby posed and failed to satisfactorily answer, why don't workers who hear the case accept the socialist case? Surges in political support including for parties would suggest political preferences are not fixed psychologically as Walsby-Walford were apt to try and suggest.
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ParticipantSomething like this would go down wellhttps://sports.vice.com/en_uk/article/uruguayan-rugby-an-amateur-outlook-in-a-professional-world
September 23, 2015 at 5:00 pm in reply to: Surges in support or membership of political parties #114426jondwhite
ParticipantOh it's certainly a worry for the anti party anarchists and autonomists but why would workers illusions in capitalism and reforms suddenly fluctuate so wildly?
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ParticipantI suppose one question is why are people still discriminated against and what can we do about it?What the identity leaflet says barely touches on this
Quote:Until recently the dominant opinion amongst those in charge of the British state about how to deal with this was to make a virtue of necessity and pursue a policy of “multiculturalism”. It didn’t work. In fact, it has encouraged division, by getting people to identify with their “culture” rather than with the British “nation”. (Socialists, too, see “multiculturalism” as divisive but for the different reason that it gets workers to identify with some other group over and above their class.) Now a change of policy is under way, a swing towards “assimilationism”.When people are discriminated against ostensibly on the basis of hair colour or skin colour, is this the real reason? Or is it a symptom of being working-class and not a suffrance the ruling-class endure?What about identities people voluntarily attach to such as religion? Is it discriminatory to exclude them from membership? Or is religious belief not an identity as such being something voluntarily assumed?
September 23, 2015 at 10:07 am in reply to: Are physical meetings the best form of democratic control in 2015? #114364jondwhite
ParticipantWithout getting too sidetracked, you don't have to think lifting the ban is a good idea to acknowledge that the bar on the religious minded hasn't yet led to a mass socialist party we seek. Personally I think there are other issues hopefully to be addressed in ADM.
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ParticipantMost fans of international sports teams attending competitive matches are not consciously making a point about 'nationalism' or 'patriotism' which is why I think leafleting them may be an inadvisable activity making it look like we think they are under nationalist illusions.
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ParticipantI'd caution against this for three rreasonsits not targeted so its unlikely to be effectiveits not strictly related to the rugby so it's not likely to be welcome, there are events more likely to be more linked to this sort of propagandaIt might very well be unwelcome since supporting one sports club or nation over another in competitive sport is what it's all about in spectator sportspeak to other members and see if there is something more appropriate, even the local high street might be more fruitful
September 22, 2015 at 2:45 pm in reply to: Are physical meetings the best form of democratic control in 2015? #114353jondwhite
ParticipantYoung Master Smeet wrote:I'm afraid the answer is imple. People don't like our case and don't agree with us. That was the message at the general election, either they reject us outright, or say they like what we say, but want to 'do something now' and so will vote Labour. Nothing we change in our presentation or organisation is going to change that situation. All we can do is go on having our views and stating them.From Private Fraser to Corporal Jones
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ParticipantPresumably Jez would not approve of thishttp://www.redmolotov.com/catalogue/tshirts/all/jeremy-corbyn-poster-tshirt.html
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ParticipantAnti Corbyn headline generatorhttp://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8139768
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ParticipantHere's an article on the bike Jeremy Corbyn rode and the Times described as Chairman Mao style.http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/chairman-mao-corbyn-bike-475
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ParticipantIncreased government spending is what the left-wing of capital have as their object.
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ParticipantYes but for the left-wing as long as Corbyn increases public spending, even if there is a economic bust, this will be a left-wing victory.
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ParticipantNot a defence of left-wing capitalism, but it looks like Corbyn's right-wing critics are wrong if they want Labour to winhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34278338
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