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Here is another good articlehttp://theoccupiedtimes.org/?p=12365

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Someone from Occupy Wall Street or Occupied Times of London.

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alanjjohnstone wrote:

As been pointed out , most music and lyrics are copy-right. Don't be at all surprised when You Tube eventually pulls your video, it isn't political censorship, but them watching their legal back.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Imagine.oggSo i found a link to non-royalty music that anyone attempting to do a video should first explore for a suitable sound track. https://creativecommons.org/legalmusicforvideosLenono Music are the rights holder of Imagine. You could try requesting Yoko Ono for permission but she is highly protective of it and personally i think you haven't a piece of a chance getting it. 

The sample above does require royalties when use outside of fair use, e.g. a promotional video.That aside, I do agree under capitalism, a professional job generally requires the party outsourcing it and there is a general reluctance to do this. Fair enough, when the argument was that the SPGB did not have the money to do so, not so credible now.As for the moral case, I'm a little more sceptical. This is a tactic that those with more money can more loudly argue. e.g. Live Aid, Bono, Geldof, etc.

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cool, but someone will have to correct them!

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You can't make financial appeals on here, its considered spam. We are not a charity.Why don't you discuss Euromaidan and your experience instead?

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Here is DeLeon's Christmas messagehttp://www.marxists.org/archive/deleon/works/1900/001225.htm

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I wouldn't even advocate a verbal hiding.

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steve colborn wrote:

Hi Alan, knowledge of the Party cannot be said to be a problem in the NE.Literally hundreds upon hundreds of letters published. I myself had 360 letters published in a single year. But in the same year, at least 6 comrades had many letters published. We covered the local press and on top of that, many 10s of hours of calls to the many phone-in programmes in the NE area were undertaken. The letters pages and airwaves were buzzing with Party propoganda.We never overreached ourselves, or had to high expectations but the parties name was and is well known. At the same time we held meetings and debates, a few debates undertaken by Steve Coleman. Meetings given by Harry Young, Cyril May and many other good party speakers.The upshot was that most political parties avoided us like the plague. Our case overmatched and terrified them.A pity we had not carried on apace but alas, we did not, for the reasons given above. Pity!

Where are the election guidelines? Hundreds upon hundreds of letters published (and 360 in a single year) is incredible. Where can I read them? Could NE target national publications?

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Nah, that's just me, I love my -isms and -ists.Substitutionist just means substituting the party/group for society as a whole, which is something to be avoided.The above is an example, where the task of emancipation becomes the preserve of a self-selecting clique of activists, rather than the working-class as a whole.

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Here's a piece from the anti-politics brigade attacking open disagreementhttp://words.steveklabnik.com/on-leftist-infighting

Quote:

By drafting the principles together, the co-signing organizations are taking historic steps to actively extinguish divisiveness from their respective groups. The principles will ensure respect for the soon-to-be-permitted march on September 1 by people planning non-permitted activities, and in turn, participants in the September 1 march will adhere to the principles and do nothing to sow division among the many activists coming to the Twin Cities to protest the RNC.The principles are:Our solidarity will be based on respect for a diversity of tactics and the plans of other groups.The actions and tactics used will be organized to maintain a separation of time or space.Any debates or criticisms will stay internal to the movement, avoiding any public or media denunciations of fellow activists and events.We oppose any state repression of dissent, including surveillance, infiltration, disruption and violence. We agree not to assist law enforcement actions against activists and others.

This is where the worst sorts of anarchism can end up. Substitutionist and policing speech but not actions.

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Giving workers a good hiding isn't an approach I would recommend.

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Was it targeted?

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anyone used https://www.dailylit.com/? it delivers daily bitesize chunks

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Went on the internet, realised there's not just one party calling themselves socialist. Went to quite a few meetings of various parties, took notes (still do in fact). Made absolutely sure I'd got a grasp of where every party calling itself socialist was coming from. Compared my notes on each party. Especially compared criticism of other parties by other parties, this is not a negative thing to do and its especially not very sectarian either. Put those criticisms to members, asked them about my concerns. Listened to the answers, did not shut up about criticisms that I feel are still valid. Narrowed down what ideology is most supportable. Decided to support, then realised I would be more effective as a member.I don't think this approach is the way most people do it. I think most people go on word of mouth or join whatever group their friends are in. Most people don't put a lot of thought into it as much as say social interest reinforced by force of habit. Some followers pick a group based on the most forceful dogmatic speaker or prettiest literature.

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When I said moral appeals are more likely to be upsetting, I meant moral appeals to the working-class are more likely to be upsetting.

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