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It could have done with a judicious use of blue pencil. More rant than reasoned argument in my opinion.
northernlight wrote:I did say that my belief was personal and private, but I have entered the “arena of debate,” so I feel obliged to answer Hollyhead’s questions…… I would have been an atheist, if it was not for a couple of paranormal experiences I had, which led me to question spirituality, and ultimately, the existence of a Creator Unable to come up with any rational scientific explanation for these events, I was left with no alternative, but to accept the belief in spiirit,so probibly a Creator.Thanks for your reply. I suppose all of us have had experiences that we cannot account for let alone provide a fully rational scientific explanation. But why then the jump to a supposed “Creator” which is beyond the scope of normal objective investigation? Better, surely, to treat them as a puzzling events for which there is an as yet undiscovered explanation?
northernlight wrote:I believe the Creator is the sum total of all that is the Universe, the Sun, you, me, your mother-in-law, everything came from the singularity that created the Big Bang.And who/what created the Creator?
And of course this (from Socialism as a Practical Alternative.) “… the first task of socialism would be to apply its productive capacity for the supply of these materials goods and services to every member of the world community. This would involve a rapid expansion of useful production achieved through a definite strategy of development. The work involved in setting up necessary means of production will mean that they are available for a long time and this work will call for a high peak of initial activity.But as these become available for use it is evident that the need for them will reduce. In this way production could fall, and the community will need only to concern itself with the day-today production of goods for consumption, the running of services, and maintenance…Here we are talking about irrigation schemes, a safe world energy system, housing, drainage, clean water, roads, bridges, transport, communications systems, etc. … But after these have become available for use, not only might production fall but the need for information, planning and decision-making might also be reduced. So it can be envisaged that the centres of organisation, involved initially at the world and regional levels, could give way to more local administration for the work of providing for daily needs, the running of services and maintenance.” http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/pamphlets/socialism-practical-alternative#ch8
Of course he could also get the next Labour government to hand out bigger benefits and subsidies. Sniff, sniff! Yes more bullshit.
jondwhite wrote:Could we be ambitious enough to run talks in parallel (at least one at any one time would be audio recorded of course for the indecisive among us)? Squeezing ten talks into a weekend?I can see a potential problem here — what if all attendees decide they all want to hear the same talk…?
northern light wrote:…I believe in a Creator (I hate the God word, it is so cliched)…Anyone care to comment?Before I comment may I ask:Why do you hold this belief?If it it does not interfere in any way …with your Socialist belief what are the effects of this belief on your analysis and interpretation of the world you live in? HH
Any chance of a Readers Digest summary of the above very lengthy post (2,900 words)? It might encourage those interested to read the linked article (which is itself 14,000 words long) even though the organisation it refers to as WSM is not the World Socialist Movement…
gnome wrote:I don’t go in for arm twisting but occasionally have been known to be fairly persuasive.I hope that isn’t code for being one of the heavies we send round with rubber truncheons to “encourage” people to join.
gnome wrote:As you’ve been a member before you don’t have to jump through the hoop of answering the questionnaire again. You can apply to re-join at your nearest branch, or by postal or online application.http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/general-enquiries Unless of course SP left through disagreement in which case a statement telling us what the disagreement was and a hand-on-heart promise that there is no longer such disagreement.
TheOldGreyWhistle wrote:What changed between 1848 and 1904?The development of a capability to produce an abundance of wealth?
Jonathan Chambers wrote:Do you really think that socialism will herald the end of rugby, for example, …Oh! I do sincerely hope so. All that rough pushing and shoving, and grunting. To say nothing of the compulsory communal bathing or showering afterwards. Ugh!
Hud955 wrote:Though I don’t have a lot of time for evolutionary psychology … it is accepted as academically respectable these days and because the EPists have been busy writing lots of popular books, their arguments are also well known.I suspect that these books are popular because they provide support for current prejudices — they do not disturb the present order of things. When I first became interested in this topic back in the 1960’s and 70’s my local library stocked several books by the likes of Robert Ardrey and Konrad Lorenz but not one by Ashley Montagu or Eric Fromm.
We are straying off topic here comrades and friends. It’s a subject better dealt with on the Technical board.
Whether one is an optimist, a pessimist, or a pessimistic optimist there is really no alternative to spreading what socialist understanding one can.
Ozymandias wrote:Five Minimalist Masterworks… Steve Reich: “Music for a Large Ensemble” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96pj1SkFHsE John Adams: “The Chairman Dances” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sde2s-tTOI Philip Glass: “Satyagraha” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHKUt5fDbH0 Meredith Monk: “The Dolmen Music” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7su7d76LhWg Terry Riley: ” In C” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjR4QYsa9nE Enjoy! Cheers RayI prefer something with a good chune in it that seems to be going somewhere.. Most of this stuff sounds like the stylus is stuck in the LP groove.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
