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To expand a little more about sects and divisions among the left :
A participant wrote :That people (not just us) refer to Trotskyist groups as “sects” will be because there are so many groups claiming to be Trotskyist, even to be the legitimate continuation of the “Fourth International” that Trotsky set up in 1938 (there are at least four of them), with the differences between them unclear to outsiders. The comparison will be with the array of non-conformist Protestant sects from the 17th century onward, each claiming to be the true Christians.
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Leon Trotsky’s wife, Natalia Sedova Trotsky, left the Trotskyist movement in the early 1950s. She resigned due to her disagreement with the Fourth International’s political positions, particularly their acceptance of the Stalinist states in Eastern Europe as “deformed workers’ states” and their support for the Chinese Communist Party under Mao Zedong.
Sedova believed the Fourth International was persisting in errors and making concessions to Stalinism. She felt that defending the Stalinist regime of “barbarous oppression” was a betrayal of socialist principles.
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Key issues for her included the movement’s decision to categorise Soviet-dominated Eastern European countries as “deformed workers’ states” and their support for the Stalinist governments of China and North Korea. She made her break public in a letter to the leadership of the Fourth International and the U.S. Socialist Workers Party in May 1951.https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2000s/2009/no-1263-november-2009/workers-state-pull-other-one/ Workers state? Pull another one
Despite leaving the political movement, she continued to advocate for the rehabilitation of her husband’s reputation in the Soviet Union.
She never mentioned that her husband was killed by an ex-Trotskyist who had access to the fortress where he was living in Mexico, and he became a KGB agent, and then he became an exile in Cuba, and several Trotskyist sects supported the so-called Cuban Revolution, and before the 1959 Castroist revolt, the CPC had provided support to the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista.
The concept of a deformed workers’ state also created a huge division among the Trotskyist movement.
In Argentina, where there are many Trotskyist groups, the movement has suffered many crises and internal divisions.
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The Maoist movement suffered a great division in Latin America when the Chinese government started to support the Chilean dictatorship and the Albanian tendency for themselves, a big chunk of the Maoist movement under the banner of anti-revisionism
All those internal struggles and divisions created several sects similar to the divisions within the evangelical churches and groups. In every neighbourhood, there is one church claiming to be the real Christian or the followers of Jesus, and the pastors are worshipped like divine gods.
Apparently, she also accepts the concept that the Soviet Union was a state capitalist economy, but she did not abandon Leninism and Trotskyism, similar to the stand of CLR James, who rejected Lenin’s vanguard party and the concept of state capitalism, but he did not reject Leninism.
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There was a Marxist Leninist organization that was dissolved by their own members in a national congress when they started to question Lenin, Stalin, Enver Hoxha, Mao and their own Leninist principles, there was not an agreement in the congress decided to disolve the organization, most Leninist groups are in disagreement before they start to be formed and internal they always have disagreement based on leadership and worshipping of personality.At the SPGB, we have raised criticisms against individuals, and it has not been dissolved. Since we do not have leadership, we do not have conflict over who is or must be the boss; its own members democratically govern it, and we do not have a central committee, although some outsiders have claimed that the executive committee is like a central committee.
And then, they are claiming that we are a sect, as I told a Leninist, to shoot the gun at yourself, not toward us.
There is no fascism, and there are no fascists; therefore, the struggle against fascism is only an illusion, as well as the struggle against communism is also an illusion, because it has never existed
Leninists, Trotskyists and Historians want to negate the participation of Joseph Stalin in the publication and distribution of Iskra newspaper inside Russia, as well they do not mentioning that several articles written by Lenin were not published by Stalin. Those facts were also mentioned in this forum by Alan Johnston when he was the moderator of this forum. Stalin joined the Bolsheviks in 1903, several years before Leon Trotsky
A worker said the same thing in this article:
https://en.internationalism.org/icconline/2008/apr/castro-quits
Antifascists are fascists in that they oppose free speech and wish to silence those of another opinion.
No wonder they are on both sides of the front line in Ukraine.——————————
Both sides are calling each other fascists. An authoritarian oligarch and criminal leader like Putin, a former colonel of the KGB, calls fascists all his opponents. Like Stalin used to call everybody a fascist, and his followers still call everybody a fascist. All those conspiracy journalists of our time see fascism all over the earth. I have read them using the term ecological fascism. Nobody is saying that the real cause of our problem is capitalism; they think that the best solution is to replace leaders
Lenin lived in Paris for several years. Paris was a city that had many Russian exiles from different political tendencies
https://lithub.com/lenin-in-paris-when-the-city-was-a-refuge-for-russian-artists-and-dissidents/.This historian indicates that Lenin visited and lived in London on several occasions with his wife and by himself too
This article from DSA almost mentions Henderson.
https://jacobin.com/2020/04/vladimir-lenin-150-birthday-spark-lit-revolution-london
https://sarahjyoung.com/site/2011/01/16/russians-in-london-lenin/. This historian also mentions Lenin’s life in London
In Capitalist developed countries with limited bourgeois democracy, like the US, Germany, France, and England, it would be very difficult to establish a personal dictatorship. Trump was not only elected by White people; thousands of Latinos, African Americans, Asians, and Arabs voted for him
A journalist wrote that fascism comes in two forms: Fascism and Anti fascism, and they are as violent as the fascists.
In Argentina and Chile, the workers who do not support the left-wingers are called poor fascists
I read the World Socialist Web because they provide daily news from a left-wing perspective, and many of you quote them often.
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We publish articles and pamphlets from other Leninist groups, including the Internationalist Perspective, the International Communist Current, Marxist Humanists and other Left communist groups, but they do not publish any of our articles.
I published several articles written by the WSWS about the origin of Human beings because they are correct.
We are open to ideas.I published two articles from the Internationalist Perspective about the war in the Middle East on a so-called Marxist forum, and they were rejected because they indicate that Hamas is part of the problem and they are the rulers of the Palestinians, but for them, Hamas is the real Palestinian resistance, their conception are based on the national liberation, in our article titled: Was Marx ever a Leninist, show where that wrong onception come from. They are intolerant.
I published two articles written by Martov, and one Trotskyist asked why I support right-wingers, and he had not read anything about Martov. Even more, they call themselves Leninists, and they have not read anything about Lenin
For the Trotskyists, Leon Trotsky is a god that can not be questioned; they have turned him into a religion, and he must be worshipped, and the same thing has been done with Lenin, and there are hundreds of Trotskyist groups around the world who have had a different conception of Trotskyism, and they have had their own disputes, like the evangelicals, all of them claim that they are the real trotsyists followers, in the same way that all evangelicals groups are the real followers of Jesus.
Many conceptions about Leninism and Trotskyism must be critically questioned, and we have done that, especially since Trotsky was the one with the least socialist knowledge of all the Bolsheviks. All religions are based on sectarian conceptions, and most Leninist groups are also based on sectarian conceptions. Lenin wrote around 42 volumes, and only a few of his works are important, and they are wrong too, including Imperialism, What is to be done, and the state and the revolution, and the worst one is about national liberation. All of them have been debunked by the Socialist Party, and we have proven that between Trotsky and Stalin, there were no essential differences, only a management style of how to oppress the workers
Their central conception, which is the permanent revolution, has been taken without being questioned because it was taken from Marx’s view about the failure of the German bourgeois revolution; it has nothing to do with skipping economic society toward socialism, the development of capitalism can not be skipped and socialism can not be established on economic backward society, and Lenin, without questioning it he also adopted it, therefore, their conception is only applicable to third world countries and it is also wrong too,
Some followers of Che Guevara are trying to apply his Maoist conception to developed countries like England, Germany or the US. His grandson said that those conceptions were wrong too, and he was an anarchist who lived in Mexico. And hundreds of Che Guevara sects have turned him into a god, and all his ideas are universally applicable, and there is a church in Bolivia for Saint Ernesto Guevara; all his conceptions are pure idealistic, and all who have followed him have failed, and they have only produced death, chaos and crisis, and we have also critically questioned his conceptions. He had no socialist conceptions at all; he only advocated one, which was a society without a monetary system, and he became the director of the Cuban Central Bank. In Argentina, there are hundreds of Guevara sects, and he is mainly worshipped because he was from Argentina, and Argentine workers rejected their conception during the last presidential election.
Mao was also turned into a god that can not be questioned, and his conceptions are universally applicable like the Jewish bible, and they followed him like a god figure, and all of them are like religious sects. I have dealt with all those sects, and I know how they are and what they advocate. And many people died in vain following those sects, and most of their groups were controlled by high school and university students without any fundamental socialist knowledge; they were minority groups confronting a power structure known as the state, and they were disbanded, and many groups vanished from the face of the earth.
The Socialist Party has not turned Marx, Engels, and socialism into a god that can not be questioned; we have a critical view about socialism/communism and Marx and Engels and our own organisation, and members are allowed to raise criticism on the organisation, even more, we have said that without Marx and Engels we could have created our own conception of socialism.
Those who are saying that we are a sect it is because we do not follow their uncritical point of view, and we do not follow their religion, their churches and their god, and we do not make an alliance with them. We can publish articles proving that Lenin and the Bolsheviks’ revolution was a failure, and they, without reading it and without questioning it, have rejected them; we do not do that; we publish and read some of their failures, and we take positive and negative points of view about their conceptions, and we accept whatever is correct.
This is a better definition of what fascism really was.
It is a form, or a management style, adapted by capitalism in Italy and Germany, but those Leninist groups of all stripes think that fascism is something that can be installed by a leader, or that war is the only characteristic that distinguishes fascism; the main characteristic is extreme nationalism.
The main problem of our world is not fascism, and it was not before, WW2, during WW2 and after the war, and it is not now either, because it does not exist. The real problem is capitalism; they call themselves socialists, but their struggle is not against capitalism but toward reformism.
They think that by removing a leader, the problems can be resolved, and leaders are being removed all the time, and capitalism has not been replaced, yet.t
Capitalist wars and authoritarian governments existed before fascism and nazism, and several of them were supported by the Soviet Union and the Leninists. And most Leninists and the so-called anti fascists figures supported the dictatorship of one single party and state capitalism, and they also provided economic and political support to Nazism.
There are authoritarian governments around the world, but they are not fascists, and some authoritarian governments have been replaced through the election system.
The main obsession is because authoritarian groups are right-wingers, but leftwing groups and government are authoritarians too, and they have also been replaced by workers.
The Neo nazis in the USA are small groups of poor workers who can not even pay their rent, and most of them live in poverty, and they are minor groups who do not even know the history of real fascism and nazism.
The real Nazis had a lot of economic power, scientific knowledge and their system produced great benefits for the German, British, French and US capitalist class, and they also wanted to expand themselves like the other capitalist blocs, and that was the main objective of the war against them, and the pretext was the fight against Nazism .
The soviet union wanted to be part of the Axis along with Germany, Italy, and Japan, and the orthodox church supported the soviet government . Later, they aligned themselves with the Allies,
There is a new election tactic known as post fascism invented by the South American leftists, and the same anti fascist made alliances with the right wingers
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Keymaster
The WSWS site is run by one of the Trotskyist sects which have decided not to “enter” the new party — the Socialist Equality Party, one of the relics of the old WRP.
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