Capitalist Pig
Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
maybe when you get out of your self-indoctrination one day you will be able to discuss different ideas and viewpoints.
alanjjohnstone wrote:I resent being called a liar. But i may have exaggerated his inheritance since he has brothers and sisters. The $1 million loan doesn’t include his inheritanceHis father, Fred Sr died in 1999, and the New York Times reported that "his estate has been estimated by the family at $250 million to $300 million." The New York Daily News reported at the time that the estate was worth $100 million to $300 million based on family estimates. From the moment of his birth, Trump was set up for success. If someone were to invest $40 million in a S&P 500 index in August 1974, reinvest all dividends, not cash out and have to pay capital gains, and pay nothing in investment fees, he'd wind up with about $3.4 billion. No brains needed!!! But since you have now lowered yourself to the sewer with your accusations, i now cease any engagement with you…Goodbyeyou have not acknowledged one of my points instead you cite lefty articles that some how 'prove' that I am wrong about trump's motives therefore no debate required. I am calling you dishonest in your analysis which is shown by your unwillingness to adress simple and obvious facts. Don't call yourself unbiased and objective when you know you aren't. But it isn't the same as outright lying
alanjjohnstone wrote:These are NOT MY conclusions, CP, but that of those who have studied the topic and are well-read in the field. Promises made to the miners for the sake of their votes simply cannot be kept and again it is not me saying that but people withing the industry saying it.I keep coming back at you with evidence not assertions and all you do is challenge the messenger and not question the statements.not really, but you can continue to live in your elitest bubble I won't bother you
alanjjohnstone wrote:IN 2005 – 12 f###ing yers ago…Sanders released his details voluntarily…an income of $205,000 for him and his wifeThe excerpt from Trump shows he got $153 millionOnce more you seem to have failed to read the VOA report which states he still retains a conflict of interest. Of course getting an inheritance of $200 million from his father contributed to that so-called "building up from the ground"Once more, i have indeed raised many things that he has done, things you wish didn't exist…If you were a Clinton supporter, my attitude would be little different and just as critical…i would be demanding the release of the Goldman Sachs speeches.If you were a Sanders supporter, my attitude would be little different because i would be exposing how a president with opposition in both houses can never achieve his policies.And for jobs advice, now that Milo has slunk away in disgrace, there is an opening in Breitbart for yourself, rose-tinted glasses come with the positiondon't try to seem 'unbiased' because its pretty obvious you are not by citing false claims and conspircy theories that hold little backing.trump took a one million dollar loan from his father not 200 don't lie about that either. I personally didn't read any of milo's articles or breitbart but what they did to him was the real disgrace, though you seem to be ok with it because he is a conservative. Don't pretend to charish free thinking and diversity of ideas when you won't stand up for others right to do so.
ALB wrote:Alan, I think you've misunderstood the reason for continuing to argue with critics like Pig. It's not to convince them (some of them are pretty pig-headed) but to deal with the arguments and prejudices they put forward as these are held by others who might be more amenable, as well of course to inform ourselves and hone our arguments.Anyway, to return to the subject.Capitalist Pig wrote:it is supported within the scientific community that our actions and our thought patterns can turn on and off certain genes. Its called neurplactisity.Are you sure that this is what "neoplasticity" means? As far as I can see, it actually argues the opposite of the view that we are prisoners of our genes. The clue is in the name itself: neuroplasticity. which would suggest that the brain is "plastic", i.e. not "hardwired". Take this passage from the wikipedia article on it:
Quote:The adult brain is not entirely "hard-wired" with fixed neuronal circuits. There are many instances of cortical and subcortical rewiring of neuronal circuits in response to training as well as in response to injury.In any event, this is the opposite of your original claim that genes influence what we think. "Turning on and off" genes (if that's what happens) would not alter the fact that what genes govern is our anatomy and physiology, in this case that of the brain, not what sort of ideas we hold..
the actions and thoughts of a person can change the way genes are expressed making the appearance of a religious gene. I'm not a neuroscientist but this is pretty easy to understand.
alanjjohnstone wrote:CP, i simply focussed on the topic at hand, your claim that Trump represents the ordinary American and discussing his energy policies would mean exposing his lip-service to climate change policies by continual support for the fossil-fuel industries. But since you insist, try reading all of this articlehttps://qz.com/851080/trumps-promise-to-coal-miners-will-hurt-jobs-in-other-republican-states/or this onehttp://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/12/nifty-map-shows-why-coal-power-struggling-trump-notwithstandingOr thishttps://fee.org/articles/trump-isnt-bringing-coal-back/As you are against government subsidies, i expect you to denounce the money given to the fossil fuel industries.https://www.benzinga.com/news/17/02/9106510/coal-companies-lobby-for-clean-energy-subsidiesThis from the business sector media itselfQuote:During his campaign and after, Trump expressed a commitment to reviving the coal industry. While his America First Energy Plan identifies a focus on clean coal technology, it is otherwise unclear what other specific actions the Trump administration would take to support the coal industry. But given that the implementation of clean coal technology will only add to the cost of using coal as a source fuel, it would be reasonable to expect some sort of subsidy or other incentive that would allow coal to be more competitive in the market. Increases in the price of natural gas could also make coal more cost-attractive and make it possible for coal to reclaim some lost market capacity.In other words, CP, "more money spent by the government does not translate into more jobs all of the time."…a lesson you are only so keen to teach us but something yourself don't wish to heed.But lets speak plain. Environmental regulations are not killing the coal industry – the realities of the capitalist energy market and competition from cheaper alternatives are. And Trump can do little to change that.
since you have reached your own finite conclusion I don't think its worth dicussing this anymore. Like I said, its like beating your head against a brick wall. no matter what I say to counter your argument it won't matter because you have already reached a conclusion in your mind.
alanjjohnstone wrote:Quote:Trump does not own the trump corporation anymore so how can he have financial assets in 2 dozen countries(not that that would be a crime)?Again an inaccurate statement. What you should have said as that Trump no longer controls his corporation having placed it in a trust to his two sons, not a blind trust as many would expect and what a UK PM is obliged to do.Voice of America, scarcely a left-leaning source, explained
Quote:Two months into his presidency, interviews with government watchdogs and a VOA review of state records and documents filed by the Trump Organization show that while Trump has taken some steps he promised in January, he's failed to fully implement his own trust agreement., http://www.voanews.com/a/trump-done-enough-fence-off-business-interests/3769432.htmlAnd, of course, we still await his full tax details, not some leaked pagesAs for his new reliance on military advisors, it is an improvement on his previous claim that "I know more about #ISIS than the generals do, believe me…"
he didn't have to release himself of all assets, he did it to prevent the image of conflict of interest and to focus on being the president. You are just looking for anything to delegitemize him with and i find that sad. Donald trump's sons should have the right to run the company he built from the ground up.those two scandelious pages that were obtained illegally by nbc showed that he paid 25% taxes which is more than your beloved bernie sander's 13%. Instead of talking about all that he has done and that he is actually doing what he said what he would do you want to focus on non-issues for the sole purpose of character assasination. Its honestly getting very cringey for the lengths you will go to try to smear him. maybe you should get a job at CNN?
it is supported within the scientific community that our actions and our thought patterns can turn on and off certain genes. Its called neurplactisity. sorry if you think you know everything that is to be known because of your 'enlightenment'. I'm not here to conform to your beliefs like a cult but to discuss different ideas but if you view any idea or theory that is not on your party line as 'unscientific' then you can't really discuss anything other than what was been 'confirmed' by your organization. That is not the diversity of ideas in which you preech about but the opposite, collectivism.
alanjjohnstone wrote:The betrayal of Trump's supporters and voters by him goes on and on and on…Recall the frequency of his claims during the election campaign to be on the side of the miners.Trump has now proposed eliminating funding for economic development programs supporting laid-off coal miners and others in Appalachia, which will would cut funds to the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) and the U.S. Economic Development Administration. 400 of the 420 counties where ARC operates in voted for Trump.http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-budget-appalachia-idUSKBN16N2VFmore money spent by the government does not translate into more jobs all of the time. That being said trump is getting rid of regulations that are hampering us energy industries. why don't you mention that too? oh thats right because that would crush your narrative
Vin wrote:Capitalist Pig wrote:just try to comprehend other ideas other than your own. its all i can sayIt is you and not alan with cognitive dissonance
how so?
robbo203 wrote:Capitalist Pig wrote:everything the donald has done is crippling the globalists' agenda of one world government which is open borders, corporate colonialism and crony capitalism. Why do you hate prosperity?CP Dont by conned by the rhetoric! Trump is a globalist (which does not necessarily mean wanting "one world government " incidentally) and a corporatist. He himself has personal financial interests in more than 2 dozen countries. He has packed his cabinet with representatives of BIG BUSINESS or "crony capitalism" as you call it to an almost inprecedented extent (I cant think of anyone who would more closely fit the bill of a crony capitalist than Trump given his policy of protectionism towards American Big Business). And despite the suggestion that America under Trump would be isolationist and shun military adventurism in other parts of the world, if anything US military might is being flexed even more under more under Trump (he promised to increase military spending did he not?) Here's just a sample of things that have happened under his adminsitration which I have copied and pasted from a site called http://www.legitgov.org/ from which I receive regular bulletins. These refute the claims that Trump is some sort of anti -globalist opposed to meddling in other countries
well if thats true about the cia that would be big, but I wouldn't see it happening considering the hate between the cia and trump is reaching jfk levels.trump does not own the trump corporation anymore so how can he have financial assets in 2 dozen countries(not that that would be a crime)?It is not a crime for Rex tillerson to have managed the biggest and most successful oil company in the world, I find it impressive actually. He worked his way up from the bottom and became ceo of exxon, inspirational to me.The trump philosophy is peace through strengh which has been true for centuries. Another thing is fair trade deals with other countries which is why trade deals like TPP are being gotten ridden of, fair trade is not isolationism its just in the national interest. Whether or not it is the right thing to go into syria we can debate but it was ultimatly the military general's decisions to go, trump will actually take advise which I think is a good thing if he is not surrounded by neocons which he recongizes I think.
alanjjohnstone wrote:I never quite liked the term globalist. I may well be wrong but it derives from the usage of the right-wing conspiracists but the left can also be criticised when they demonise "globalisation"..I'll try in the future to stick to the tried and trusted old words for Trump…capitalist, oligarch, plutocrat, robber-baron, In the words of our national poet, CP, "Facts are chiels that winnae ding", loosely translated to mean facts are fellows that will not be overturned or cannot be disputed. In the course of our exchanges, Robbo and i and mcolome1 have provided you with an abundance of evidence and ample examples that exposes Trump as simply another run-of-the mill-bourgeoise political leader, a con-artist performing the customary sting operation over his voters. He hasn't even got the excuse of being sincere but misguided which i think Bernie Sanders could be described as. When people such as yourself decline to face the reality and continue to support a politician with blind loyalty, then it is the beginning of the route towards authoritarianism.you provided no evidence except for your political anylasis which is leftist leaning. Your even biased toward a person if they call themselves a 'socialist'. Don't confuse facts with ideas because things will start to get hazy then.
alanjjohnstone wrote:If anyone has been vague, it has been yourself, CP. You are projecting your own flaws on to me.I have been very specific in my responses to you, expressing a view and then backing them up with supporting statements. That is how honest debate takes place. The reason you find you are hitting your head against a brick wall is because you simply don't know how to answer and it is yourself who is resorting to repeating the same old assertions without back-up justificationsFrom the beginning of this thread you have received forthright and direct answers and because the conclusions are not the ones you wish to hear you grasp at straws in your accusations against my replies to you. Go back to the beginning of this topic and re-read everything that has been posted, perhaps that might enlighten you.just try to comprehend other ideas other than your own. its all i can say
robbo203 wrote:Capitalist Pig wrote:I think their needs to be a balance between automation and human labourI totally agree but for that we need a society in which human beings can consciosuly determine what this balance should be according to their own needs. It is just not possible to do this in a market based system in which blind market forces, over which we have no control, determine the outcome
that is the dream i guess
alanjjohnstone wrote:Just what has he done?Followed Bernie Sanders policy of dumping TPP and TTIP. Followed the Obama policy of deporting millions.And is appointing a transnational Exxon executive as secretary of state not an endorsement of globalismBut i note you do not address the claims that Trump bullied his neighbours and tried to bully a nation which may well be symbolic of his actual personality and politics as president.even if I gave you a list of everything trump has done to beat back globalism you would still call him a globalist. I really don't understand your criticism of globalism btw because your ideology is based on it. is it just one more name to call trump for you?
