Capitalist Pig
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alanjjohnstone wrote:"We Arra the People""Power to the People" I know at a stretch, people may include our rulers…and worse, some Orange bigots in Northern Ireland and Scotland insist in appropriating the term to prove they are the "chosen people"…I have now got a tendency to say "working people"…but some who don't work may feel that they are excluded by the word's usage…I am uncomfortable with the word proletariat(n) ..i think it is easier describing our enemy..the capitalist…the plutocrat…the oligarch…the ruling class, employing class, employers, the masters, the bosses, the wealthy, the rich, the 1%, the parasite class, these blood-sucking leeches, those fucking bastards……
Right on!!
they have to support the abolishment of it, it is not enough to be just critical alot of partys are critical of capitalism. and they can't work in the capitalist political system to attempt to abolish it. They will just spiral down into the dead end of reformism if this is the case
with all this talk about you have your ideology and I have mine, why does it matter? We may have different ideologies but the only thing that really matters is the communist theory that we all desire to become reality. A house divided against itself will not stand.
I don't really understand how scientific theories can be ideologically endorsed. Its like saying that scientists should embrace pseudoscientists. But I don't know maybe I just need to read his post hehe…
so we have to basicly fight the capitalist propoganda with our propoganda. It seems pretty impossible but hey it can be done. We just have to start on a small scale and work our way up. The financial crisis helps alot ironicly so that people ask themselves: is what we have working for me? We have to use all the oppertunities given to us
LBird wrote:Capitalist Pig wrote:I don't understand the point your trying to make from 'experience alone'.Simply, that 'experience alone' doesn't exist for humans.If you think it does, I'd ask 'who told you so?', because you didn't emerge from the womb able to do 'experience alone', you had to be taught by, initially, your parents and close relatives, and later, by teachers, priests, politicians and scientists.They were all already brought up in a society, consisting of the same influential roles that you and me were brought up. So, they learned and taught, as do you and I. Humans are social animals.One of the ruling class ideas within our society is that 'we are all individuals', and that 'individual experience' is the source of knowledge (what you called 'experience alone').In fact, all humans have always learned from the society in which they have grown up, and so the notion of 'experience alone' is not only invalid, but also a ruling class idea to help prevent all of us asking 'where do we get our ideas from?'.If the source of an individual's ideas are 'experience alone', then they don't have to even ask that question, never mind try to answer it.My advice to you is to ask further why you think 'experience alone' is even possible.The socialist answer is 'it isn't', and we live in a society where knowledge is produced by society, and so has social characteristics.If you conclude that 'experience alone' is valid and possible, then I think you'll have difficulty coming to understand the socialist viewpoint.Hope that helps, CP.
Interesting. Now we are talking about something totally different. But ok so instead of relying on experience you just rely on theory. But all i'm saying is that socialism is kind of only a novelty now for people. Like how do you debunk almost one hundred of leninism when its so deeply ground into peoples minds even from a young age. You would have to have to reteach the people who would actually give up their beliefs to something completely new…people don't like to do that, they just like to stick to what they already know and not question it because this offers security. It takes a LONG time to explain all of this sheeet to people and most people don't have the patiance or time. The only way people will question their beliefs is if our message is repeated over and over again through PR…this is the conclusion I have come to
yea I mean it sucks thinking the way i do sometimes.. like having basically no one around you who thinks like you. But is there something we did wrong to make socialism sooooo unpopular? Do we need to do something radically different? Is violence the answer? Is peaceful protest the answer? WHAT can we do to reach people other than the college student/intellectual type? HOW do we reach the foundation of the working class and spark a fire underneath their butts? These are the questions I ask myself but as you said there is no clear answer…experience alone seems to be the best modal now. But when will it take people who today don't give a rats ass about socialism to actually WANT it and WORK for it? That is the question that haunts me the most.
