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ALB said “ To act as a safety deposit box, keeping safe money that people don’t want to use for the time being, and to create new money. Apparently, for him, the two are unconnected.”
That then also begs the question why are the two always related. If I don’t need to “borrow” money through deposits in order to lend, why would I bother with all of the palaver of offering deposit services (which on the face of it doesn’t really make much money. Why not just do lending on its own and if you can just create money by lending it, why doesn’t everyone.
ALB wrote “ this thread has become completely toxic descending into an exchange of insults that is a discredit to our website.”
Actually ALB, that’s fair comment. I will attempt to avoid getting drawn into TN’s noxious world. Mea culpa.
My previous post must have been being written when you made your post.
In reflection Socialists should try and avoid being distracted away the political arguments into trivialisation.
You’ve guessed it True Nazi, Alan has been in deep cover as a member of the SPGB for years, infiltrating the organisation to find out what we are doing and how we do it and getting paid squillions to do.
CIA might have saved a few quid by going on line or just visiting our meetings and asking for copies of all of our meetings’ minutes including the conference, the executive and sub committees, as we don’t have any secret meetings and all meetings are open to the public, but that’s the yanks for you, never been very good with their cash.
Just to clear up any other conspiracy theories that are floating about in your febrile imagination, I am indeed the leader of the Lizard people and have regular meetings with the Duke of Edinburgh (he’s not actually dead, he is feeding of the blood of new born babies and exists in a zombie like form whilst living in a council house just outside of Halifax). Robbo is actually a shape shifting alien and lives in Malaga accompanied by the corpse of the late entertainer Matt Munroe (Robbo can often be found late at night serenading Matt’s corpse with his rendition of Born Free). ALB (not his real name) has been masquerading and a Marxist economics expert following the unfortunate incident where he killed his children’s nanny, whilst attempting to actually kill his wife (that’s right I can reveal that ALB is none other than Lord Lucan) and Shergar has been secretly stabled in the cellar of 52 Clapham High Street since February 1983 (if the IRA are reading this, you owe us a fortune in hay)
Only a genius like you, True Nazi, would have been able to penetrate our deep secrets. Still you’ll never find out where the crypt of Mary Magdalene is, or where the Holy Grail is (it’s behind the photocopier hidden in some old copies of the Socialist Standard)
In using the “Argumentum ad Hitlerium” card you’ve actually made the fool out of yourself.
The fallacy you describe only applies to superficial similarities to the views/actions of Hitler. In the case I cited, you offered support to ideas which were fundamental to Hitler’s ideology, i.e. Lebensraum and German Irredentism. The analogy I made between Hitler’s logic (and by extension yours) and the logic that Putin has used to justify his war, is anything but trivial. Another strong similarity between Nazism and your views is your celebration and manifest glee at the thought of human beings being turned into fertiliser, is that another example of Argumentum ad Hitlerum? I think not.
What is arguably a more vaild demonstration of “Argumentum ad Hitlerum” is however your ongoing assertion that the regime in the Ukraine is a “Nazi Regime”, which is curious, given that Zelensky is Jewish.
I think you need to go back to your “Logic for Dummies” book and read it rather than just looking at the pretty pictures.
True Nazi’s explanation of why he support’s statements made by Hitler is as weak as piss.
Having had 4 weeks nearly to contemplate his response all he has come up with is “If Hitler made sounds consistent with that, what of it?”
He then goes on to make an analogy which harks back to the “rape of Belgium” argument to support making war. That argument, didn’t hold water in 1914 and it doesn’t hold water now.
It also doesn’t distract that True Nazi supported EXACTLY the same argument Hitler did to explain his annexation of the Sudetenland, to support Putin’s annexation of the Donbas. That is that the annexation was necessary to maintain peace and to stop the oppression of elements of the population of those areas. Both Putin and Hitler used this argument as a cloak for their real war aims, territorial expansion, military/strategic advantage and conquest of resources (in Hitler’s case the Czech arms industry and other industrial resources and in Putin’s case the mineral and industrial resources of the Donbas)
I’m afraid, True Nazi, if you walk like a Nazi, swim like a Nazi and quack like a Nazi, the chances are you’re a Nazi. You’ve passed the duck test with flying colours.
True Nazi states- “ Resisting such a force is one’s duty. Unless, of course, you’re physically unable or a coward.”
If True Nazi is implying that his lack of action is on the basis of his physical inability, then his ongoing slurs against people who may have disabilities is even more jaw droppingly crass.
I didn’t say Hitlerian, I said you followed the logic that Hitler did to justify the annexation of the Sudetenland. That is, the logic of Nationalism and capitalist expansionism. You stated that you agreed with that logic, with those exact words.
If it’s sauce for Hitler’s goose, then it’s sauce for Putin (and your’s) gander.
Did you agree with Hitler’s words or did you not? The record shows you did.
True cowardly Nazi says re me “I suspect he’s a juvenile still in his teens‘
Sadly, and as usual, our fascist friend is wrong.
However, we can add ageism to homophobia and ableism to the list. Also working on the fact that he supports the speeches of Hitler we can probably add antisemitism, racism and several other forms of prejudice as well.
He’s certainly consistent in his presentation.
“And are you going to “man up” about the fact that you supported Hitler’s logic for the annexation of the Sudetenland? True Nazi”
Lol. I did no such thing.
As you well know, I susbtituted the words Czechoslovakia with Ukraine in one of Hitler’s speeches about the Sudentenland, and told you (the guy who is never fooled) that it was Putin. You then replied that you supported the speech fully.
True Nazi (wannabee Stormtrooper) “I haven’t been storming around Europe exterminating innocents.”
Perhaps not, but you have been applauding the extermination of innocents. The reason you haven’t been involved is not because of any political or moral principle, merely that you are too full of chicken shit to join up with the process you have been encouraging.
And are you going to “man up” about the fact that you supported Hitler’s logic for the annexation of the Sudetenland? True Nazi
Supporting Alan’s remarks, True Nazi is happy to make use of our approach to free expression. Like the typical red fascist he is, he’s less happy to allow others to express their views.
Thankfully he and the fascist scum he represents have neither the wit or the insight to understand that by allowing him and his ilk we are exposing them for what they are.
We have no need or desire to censor them, allowing fascists like him to speak, with all of his talk of turning fellow human beings into fertiliser, shows the world the reality of what he actually is.
Crusty the Clown said “But having your baby born with no brain, or anus, or eyes. That’s not hellish”
I’m not denying that is hellish and the responsibility of the US led invasion of Iraq. However According to you the UK have only 2-3 days of ammunition so if you’re right (there’s always a first time) then the risk is minimal, unless of course you are wrong (which is more than likely judging by your track record). So I’ll ask you again, we’re you right about the level of UK ammunition stocks, or are you wrong (I’ll take your silence as an admission that you acknowledge that you were wrong).
However the role of the guardian of the children of the Ukraine is a role that I’ll fits you. Your faux moral outrage is betrayed by your frequent celebration at the prospect of members of the Ukrainian working class (and the Polish working class) being turned into fertiliser.
Your ongoing temper tantrums also betray your childlike narcissism, clearly if you don’t get your way, or if you can’t bully others around you to pretend that you’re right, you throw your toys out of the pram.
Like I said in an earlier post, we’re not laughing with you, we’re laughing at you.
True Nazi stated that depleted uranium would turn The Ukraine into a “nuclear hell hole”.
As I said I don’t wish to provide any support to the British arms industry, but “nuclear hell hole!!!!!”
The most vocal critics of the use of depleted uranium in Iraq have not labelled the country a “nuclear hell hole”, despite the wholesale use of the material in the western invasion of Iraq.
Suddenly the unrepentant Hitler supporter is worried about the children of the Ukraine, despite the fact that last week he was crowing about his fantasy of those same children (and their mothers and fathers) being “turned into fertiliser”. True Nazi’s attempt to claim the moral high ground is about as putrid as his support for the Russian Capitalist Class.
True Nazi hasn’t even got the sense to realise that he is making himself look even more stupid (if that is possible) with his claims that British shells will turn the Ukraine into (his words) a “nuclear hell hole”. That’s because he has previously claimed that the UK only has ammunition supplies for 3 days. So a nuclear hell hole is going to be created by what he claims are a tiny amount of insignificant ammunition. Even in your narcissistic fantasy world, True Nazi, you can’t have it both ways. Will British ammunition turn the Ukraine into a nuclear hell hole, or will it run out in three days?
What’s even more ironic is that Warwick Hunt claims that he fully supported the state capitalist regime in the Soviet Union. That would be the same regime whose underfunded and dilapidated power plant in Chernobyl actually did create a nuclear hell hole.
Still, positive out of a negative, as I’ve said before, the more time True Nazi spends on this forum the less time he has available to control, bully, abuse and harm his family, colleagues, dog and friends (if he has any)
