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James Heartfield is not a Socialist Party member. You seem to be confusing him with a member with a similar name.
Actually, it's yesterday's Times (30 July). Too late if you've already bought today's on the strength of this recommendation !
Email received at Head Office (don't know why) under the subject "Who is Liz Kendall" (good question):
Quote:She's just one of the flock of Blairite apparatchiks who've infested the Labour party ever since Tory Blair inflected his 'winner-take-all ' sentiment on the party ! If Labour is NOT a socialist party then IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO WIN ! Blairites are just pink conservatives …petty bourgeois chancers ! Who needs them ? Not working people ! Me? I'm for Corbyn and Eagle !Nothing to do with us of course (and the Labour Party isn't and never has been a socialist party) but some indication of what some in the Labour Party are thinking.
It's similar to what they did in California when it was virtually bankrupt in 2009:http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/02/news/economy/California_IOUs/Presumably that's where Varoufakis got the idea from.
Not been following this thread but here's something for those on it to get their teeth into (or their backs up):http://ppesydney.net/new-and-green-materialism/Green materialism sounds a whole lot better than Green spirituality !
Apparently the Greek government did have a Plan B in case the negotiations failed:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11769089/Yanis-Varoufakis-facing-criminal-prosecution-over-Plan-B-as-Troika-deny-allegations-they-control-Greek-tax-system.htmlThis complaint is just internal Greek party politics. After all, the other side had one (Grexit for v5 years) and a plan B is what you would expect a government to have had or at least thought about (even if it might not have been workable). For the government not to have had one would have been irresponsible. I don't think anything will come of this.
Glad to hear that there are parts of Turkey which reject "Islamism" even if they are not really socialist in our sense. Still, secularism would be an advance in that part of the world. Doesn't surprise me that the Alevi and the Alawites don't support "Islamism" or "Islamisation". That would be slitting their own throats before ISIS did so..
Trying to track down the origin of the Times's distortion of what he said, here's what he said immediately after what Andrew Marr said about Francis Wheen and Marx:
Quote:Well, he was an observer rather than a doer although towards the end of his life his family got quite involved in doing things. But he was essentially a fascinating figure who observed a great deal and from whom we can learn a great deal.An observation no doubt shared by many who wouldn't consider themselves to be "Marxist". In fact I think Corbyn was trying to make the point that to some extent "We're all Marxists now". But look how the Times twists this into a statement that
Quote:Britain has not learnt its lessons from Karl Marx.He may or may not believe that but that's not at all what he said. I know Stuart will defend his profession but this is scumbag journalism.Corbyn is wrong about Marx as Marx was a "doer" as well as an "observer". From 1843-1848 and again, during the period of the First International, from 1864-1872.
A leading article in today's Times interprets the above as Corbyn
Quote:believes Britain has not learnt its lessons from Karl Marx.The key phrase for us (of cours) is:
Quote:I haven’t really read as much of Marx as I should have done.Looks as if the Labour Party is going to annul the election if he wins anyway.
Interesting, instructive and amusing. It confirms the polls (for what they're worth) that
Quote:Only 5 per cent of Mr Corbyn's supporters think he can win a general election.Without doubt a realistic assessment but what it seems they want is to protest against austerity and give the Labour Party a kicking. Of course we can't join in, just enjoy the passing show.
I see what you mean. Only a moron in need of a head transplant would vote for the other three who must be out-and-out cynical hypocrites. I can see that they will be pro-business(the Labour Party has long accepted capitalism and the profit motive) but I can't really believe that they can be anti-poor and want to make their conditions worse. Most Labourite politicians will have been attracted to Labour as they thought it was the party of the "welfare state" and will have wanted to end poverty. They will be no different. So they can only be pretending to be in favour of bashing the poor as they think that being this is a vote-catcher. The Tories are just bastards. The other three would-be Labour Leaders are hypocrites as well. As you say, it can't be bad that quite a few young people can see this.
stuartw2112 wrote:So Odysseus refused to sail through the strait, but decided to sit there and wait for better conditions? If so, I grant you your victory!Actually he got through (but his crew didn't) but then he was a superhero which I don't think Corbyn or Tsipras are (or imagine themselves to be). Corbyn thinks it will be easy while Tsipras now knows it can't be done.
I think the tale from Greek mythology you are looking for is that of Scylla and Charybdis:http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Sa-Sp/Scylla-and-Charybdis.htmlNot just Greek mythology, but contemporary Greece too. I think Syriza chose Scylla … or was it Charybdis?
