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That's what the Brexiteers said they wanted, isn't it, parliament "taking back control" and becoming "sovereign" again? The dominant section of the ruling class is mounting a determined rearguard action against the crazy decision (from their point of view) that Cameron took the risk of allowing the electorate to take.
Here's the quote from yesterday Times that has sparked this discussion:
Quote:The split at the top of the organiation is over whether it should move towards using a delegate system or a "one member one vote" system. The former would see the organisation rely on selected individuals to convene and make key decisions, while the latter could allow all its actovists to take part in decision-making via online ballots. Jon Lansmann, the founder of the group and a veteran Bennite, is understood to have promoted the second option, arguing that it offers direct democracy. but some members claim online voting has only the veneer of democracy and leaves people 'atomised'.It went on to say that this 'atomisation' criticism came from "The Labour Party Marxists". Just looked at their website and see they are a front organisation for the Weekly Worker mob, practising Lenin's entryist tactic of supporting the Labour Party (and no doubt Momentum too and last year Left Unity) like the rope supports a hanged man.p.s the report also said that Paul Mason had joined Momentum (and so the Labour Party).
This still leaves out Central Branch which may soon comprise something approaching 50% of the membership as they did before and which led to Conference voting that only members overseas could join Central Branch but which has since been relaxed.
gnome wrote:I wonder how many, out of the 10 who joined during the period, are, or will be, organisationally active and what, if anything, are we doing to ensure they are?Two of them have had articles published in the Socialist Standard.
Like the SWP and the others who demand "Make the Rich Pay" which assumes the continued existence of the rich?
According to a report in today's Times, the pro-Corbyn Momentum group has been discussing the same issue as we did under items 4 and 11:
Quote:The split at the top of the organiation is over whether it should move towards using a delegate system or a "one member one vote" system. The former would see the organisation rely on selected individuals to convene and make key decisions, while the latter could allow all its actovists to take part in decision-making via online ballots. Jon Lansmann, the founder of the group and a veteran Bennite, is understood to have promoted the second option, arguing that it offers direct democracy. but some members claim online voting has only the veneer of democracy and leaves people 'atomised'.We have a hybrid system where delegates discuss but where decisions are made by a vote of all individual members after reading the discussion.This hybrid reflects that we may be in a transition from one system (decisions used to be made by a vote by delegates at conference0 to the other.I don't agree that the second has "only the veneer of democracy" but there is some truth in the claim that it leaves individuals "atomised" which can lead to them voting on the basis of their own personal prejudgements without the benefit of hearing or bothering to read about the discussion. In any event, that seems to be the situation we are evolving towards.
DJP wrote:According to the caption on the first few frames of the video, it's Godfrey Bloom.Oh him. He is no longer in UKIP but was kicked out by them in 2013 for making derogatory remarks about women. He isn't an MEP any longer either. He's not likely to be an antisemite.His wikipedia entry suggests he wouldn't really be a suitable person to debate with, though it sounds as if it might be an entertaining evening.
Just occurred to me. DJP has identified the person spouting currency crank ideas as a UKIP MEP. If we get his name we can challenge him to debate and publically expose the bollox he's talking.
I thought you said that they were on track to win ! Clearly, opinion polling in Iceland is at an earlier stage. I see that the actual winners were a party that seems to be the equivalent if the europhobic wing of the Tory party:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/30/iceland-elections-ruling-centre-right-party-pirate-partyAnyway, a Pirate Party government might have introduced more "transparency" into government decision-making, but it would still be a government of capitalism — transparently.
Have to agree with DJP that the speaker, whoever he is, is talking a load of bollox, especially when he claims that banks can lend what they haven't got. To record and expose such nonsense is the reason for this thread.
As we know that those who run the bookfair (as opposed to anarchoid footsoldiers we might meet) will refuse us yet again if we ask (because we're a party that contests elections), if we've got any self-respect we won't ask but do what we've been doing for the past few years, i.e set up a stall outside.
Not quite. The free postal distribution is only for candidates but you still have to pay for the leaflets to be printed. That's what I meant the second £500 was for. Anybody can distribute leaflets at an election but if you don't have a candidate you have to pay for them to be distributed either by Royal Mail or otherwise commercially (unless you do this yourself).
It will be in this by-election because we have an active branch in the area. Anyway, the sum involved in contesting an election is not that much (£500 for the election deposit and another £500 or so for leaflets for the post office to distribute free to every household). That was not the major decision in the vote not to contest by-elections.The other parties have started already and the date has not even been announced (1 December has been mentioned as a possibility). I got a leaflet through my door this morning from the Lib Dems and passed a group of Green Party canvassers on my way to the shops. Also saw someone sporting a UKIP badge. Since Richmond Park is the constituency with both the highest turnout and the highest Remain vote in the referendum (meaning that 60% of the electorate voted to Remain), they could well end up being beaten by Mr Bobby here if he chooses to stand.
According to this report (in yesterday's Times) the Walloon regional government did achieve a concession which leftwing opponents of CETA (and TTIP) had been campaigning for:
Quote:One of Mr Magnette's concerns was a plan for a secretive supranational political body that would settle disputes between companies and EU governments. He secured a ruling by the EU judges that the Ceta investment court would be in line with European law, and an obligation that all proceedings would be in public.No doubt the states involved would not have objected..The proposed investment court would be one in which multinational companies could sue governments for compensation if a change in government policy resulted in them making less profits than anticipated. I wonder in fact if the UK government gave Nissan a similar pledge to get them to stay in Sunderland..
