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KeymasterYorkshire Group report that four of them distributed 500 leaflets at the march and rally in Sheffield.
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KeymasterI like the way the three of them blot out their faces. No doubt they consider this a wise precaution to prevent themselves being identified by MI5 since they envisage destroying capitalism in an armed insurrection led by a vanguard party.
Still, most people won’t understand their banner that way, so it will have done no harm. In fact it will have reinforced the view that global warming has something to to do with capitalism — something we are aiming to do with our “End Capitalism” we are distributing at these events.
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KeymasterThis article from a French-language Belgian newspaper on the EU’s plan to reduce CO2 emissions illustrates a problem that will be more acute at world level.
The European Commission has drawn up a plan which sets out by how much each EU member state should reduce its emissions. Under it, Belgium is to reduce its by 47% while Rumania has to reduce its by 12.7% and Bulgaria by only 10%.
The article is about the Flemish regional government’s objection to this, calling for Belgium’s figure to be lowered and those for the countries of Eastern Europe to be raised.
The measures, they say in a note, “must not lead to an increase in the tax burden or the bill for energy in Flanders”, but should “safeguard the competitiveness of our Flemish enterprises as well as the purchasing power of Flemish households.”.
That’s a tall order but it’s what all the states in Glasgow will be aiming for. All will be seeking to keep their energy costs down so that competitiveness of their enterprises is not undermined. Even if a majority position is agreed, there is no way of enforcing it on the minority.
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KeymasterJust realised what the word “dreich” means in that press report and why it was appropriate.
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KeymasterI am afraid the Glasgow march was a washout as far as our members were concerned. As this press report indicated, there was heavy rain and the local members decided that there was no point in handing out soggy leaflets. So the comrades up there and from there now have 4000 leaflets to hand out over the next couple of days.
However, the comrades from south of the border arrived yesterday and have set up the stall. But it’s raining today too. Clearly Glasgow is not a place from which to notice any effect from global warming.
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KeymasterHere’s more on the non-combustion use of fossil fuels. It’s not just for plastics:
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=35672
In fact, the high price of natural gas at the moment caused two fertiliser plants in Britain to close until helped out by the government.
I must confess I didn’t know before that this was one of the uses of natural gas or I assumed that it was burned in the process of making fertilisers.
You live and learn.
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KeymasterBut does he explain? He seems to be going back on his famous declaration that he had come to realise that it was not a particular kind of capitalism that was to blame but capitalism as such. Now he seems to being saying that fossil fuel capitalists should be singled out and dealt with by governments “willing it” and then things will be alright.
This is just not going to happen under world capitalism. The government of states that have internal sources of oil, gas or coal such as Russia, China, India, Australia and Saudi Arabia are not going to “will” it as this would undermine their competitiveness and cause economic chaos and social unrest at home. It could even lead to them being overthrown or voted out of office.
What he is calling for is just not going to happen under capitalism.
The transition away from burning fossil fuels could only take place in a world where the Earth’s resources were no longer owned by profit-seeking corporations and states. You can’t control what you don’t own, so these resources have to become commonly owned or, expressed better, not owned by any section of society. Only on this basis could a rational world energy policy be drawn up and implemented.
Incidentally, I don’t see why this would necessarily have to exclude using any fossil fuels for anything. There are other uses for oil and coal and then there’s “carbon capture”. I know this is only experimental at the moment but so are some renewable energy sources. If it could be shown to work, why not use it?
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KeymasterSouth Wales branch report that the march and rally in Cardiff was a wash out. It was raining and only a few hundred turned up. All the same, they got leafletted but it meant that the branch has hundreds of leaflets left which they will hand out at their weekly street stall.
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KeymasterHere is who is behind the leaflet handed out in Oxford by those calling for a global strike against firms that are causing global warming. Can’t work out who is behind them.
They are also organising a meeting in Glasgow which our comrades going there could cover as well as the one just mentioned:
Still true, though, that if people are not prepared to vote to end capitalism they are not likely to strike to do this.
ps. Just discovered who is behind Free Our Unions if not Earth Strike. It’s a front for the Trotskyist AWL. Should have guessed it would be something like that.
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ALB. Reason: Found out who is behind Free Our Unions
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KeymasterThere is another comment, from a reader, under the original article :
“‘Taxes are the sinews of the state’ – attributed to Cicero. True in his time and true today. Since the state is a coercive body the servant of the exploiting class it will collapse with the advent of a socialist society.”
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KeymasterPGB, it is you that are playing the language game, first over “burden” now over “pay”.
Saying that workers literally don’t pay income tax deducted a source is a factual statement not an economic analysis.
Deductions paid by the employer for a workers’s debts are a burden on that worker (though deductions for union dues can hardly be regarded as a “burden”) as it does reduce the money they have to pay for other things.
Economic analysis of deductions for income tax shows these to be a burden on the employer. Their economic effect is, as you concede, similar to if the workers had paid them from their pockets — being passed on to employers as higher money wages due to the higher money cost of maintaining and reproducing labour power. The money that goes to the state comes in the end from profits (higher money wages means lower profits).
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KeymasterReport from London:
“We got about 1500 distributed by 4 or 5 of us at Trafalgar Square. The turnout on the march did seem much, mostly activists and lots of trots.”
More were handed out by a member who went to the start of the march at the Bank of Englabd.
Press reports here.
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KeymasterReport from Manchester Branch:
There were probably five or six hundred (or maybe even rather more) people at the COP26 demo in Manchester yesterday. Four members attended and we gave out all the COP-related leaflets we had and also plenty of other leaflets too. Fortunately the rain held off until we’d stopped leafleting and gone for a coffee.
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KeymasterI doubt it was colour prejudice that was behind not reporting what she said. It is more likely because she wasn’t saying anything particularly arresting — just about bringing more pressure on “our leaders” to do something.
It was the same at the march in Oxford yesterday that three of us leafletted. The placards, banners and leaflets called on “world leaders” or the government to “act now” and “do more”. They just disagreed on how to get governments to do this. Some favoured mass street demonstrations, others civil disobedience, others (the Trots) mass working class mobilisation. There was even one calling for a general strike. But all, as I said, directed to governments. The main slogan chanted during the march was “what do we want?”response: “climate justice now”. But that’s so vague that there won’t be anybody that doesn’t want it.
It doesn’t seem to have occurred to them that governments are constrained in what they can do by the economic system they are governing within. That governments are not doing what is needed not because they don’t care or are traitors but because they can’t.
The good news is that of the two leaflets we were handing out, one headed “Climate on Collision Course” and the other “End Capitalism”, is was the second that the more favourably received.
That’s the way to go — reinforce the view of many of them that capitalism is to blame. Then we can try to get them to consider the alternative to capitalism instead of some vague “climate justice”.
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KeymasterInteresting but a reason why we argue not for the abolition of money as such but for the abolition of a system of society that makes money necessary. Not so much for “A World without Money” as for “A World that doesn’t need Money”.
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