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10 years since OWS.
Some activists are reminiscing but what has been the legacy?
The 1% slogan has remained strong although being adjusted to 0.1% and 0.01%
Where is it now?
Social resistance has been reduced to AOC in a ‘tax the rich’ designer gown at a $30,000 a ticket ball as Jonathan Cook scathingly writes
AOC’s ‘Tax the Rich’ Gown is Designer Protest Meant to Dull Class Struggle
The world’s poorest countries will be left $12tn (£8.7tn) worse off by 2025 amid a weaker economic recovery from Covid-19…
…western governments had departed from 40 years of neoliberal dogma by intervening heavily in their economies to protect lives and jobs during the pandemic. It said returning to an era of weaker levels of government support, watered-down labour market rules and unequal trade and investment agreements would put international development at risk.
The encirclement of China continues
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58564837
The UK, US and Australia have announced a special security pact to share advanced defence technologies, in an effort to counter China.
The partnership will enable Australia to build nuclear-powered submarines for the first time.
The pact, to be known as Aukus, will also cover artificial intelligence, quantum technologies and cyber.
MS, a student seeks to learn. This one already “knows” all the answers.
A review of this thread would reveal that I discovered a couple of things, such as the approval ratings of the Chinese public in general to the government because of a rise in living standards, the scale of home-ownership is another example, and that I admitted that there is foreign interference in China’s domestic politics.
When the statements supported his case he would unquestioningly accept them despite their dubious source. If they were contrary to his position, they were discounted as false facts. “Fake news” as Trump would say.
He is a dishonest debater. I can only go so far until something makes me crack. The sacrifice of Julian Assange to make diplomatic papers public resulted in TS a purposeful distortion. Racist or not, and I would interpret them as the sender expressing prevalent Han Chinese racism not his own, it, as evidence, cannot be so casually dismissed.
Self-defeating stunts as you say for so-called remedies that will fail to achieve their goals.
My fear for COP26 is that our campaign will be drowned out by XR and other groups publicity-seeking actions.
I have tolerated your ignorance long enough
Julian Assange is sitting in jail right now for having released diplomatic secret messages such as the one I quoted to you that clearly supports my assertion that the regiments who suppressed the Tiananmen Sq protests were not local since these were disaffected, so much so that their commander disobeyed his orders and was court-martialled
You insult the courage and bravery of the Chinese 38th Army who refused to turn their guns on innocent civilians.
The blood of Chinese democrats is on your hands as you obediently parrot Chinese government propaganda lies.
Shame on you
You refuse to accept any data that does not confirm your own prejudiced preconceptions.
You exhibit all the attributes of an anti-vaxxer, holocaust denier, 9/11, JFK, anti-evolution creationist, flat-earther, that there was no moon landing, climate change denialist conspiracist.
You don’t even comprehend how ridiculous your claims are.
It is no wonder you have never found a political party to call home. You never will.
You have more in common with AnonQ than any socialist organisation.
Even when the Russian government belatedly admit the Katyn massacre was carried out by the USSR, you will dismiss it as fake.
And all of Stalin’s victims of his show trials and gulags were guilty.
(I was reading today of Miasnikov, a Russian revolutionary you will have never even heard of)
Nothing can change your mind-set. Read Wilhelm Reich’s ‘Listen Little Man’
“A little man does not know he is little and is afraid to know. He hides his pettiness and narrowness behind illusions of strength and greatness, someone else’s strength and greatness.”
You may chalk this exchange as one of your “victories” and a “triumph” for your “truth” because I am no longer willing to engage any further with someone such as yourself.
Goodbye and good riddance
Smashing The Heads of Farmers: A Global Struggle Against Tyranny
If the farmers fail to get the farm bills repealed, India will again become dependent on food importsI think the trouble with TS is that he equates being anti-American with anti-capitalism and anti-China with anti-socialism.
He is wrong.
This anti-imperialist shibboleth always needs updating with different nations and different geo-politics.
I always use Indonesia as an example. An invented country (aren’t they all) that once it achieved its independence from the Dutch set out to colonise its various neighbours and then having allied itself with the USA, massacre all its leftwing. National liberation it was called.
Wez, in all fairness, I believe TS is using the term Soviets (capital S) as shorthand for Soviet Union, itself short for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR or CCCP,
However, you have provided an opportunity for TS to say whether the soviets did still exist as independent democratic organs of working-class organisations or whether they had been subsumed into government departments and the State bureaucracy.
We all know the answer but does, TS?
I had a work colleague whose father was imprisoned for refusing his conscription because it was the Communist Party line at the time after some initial confusion that saw the British Communist Party flip-flop in 1939 from support for war to being against it. He, of course, readily volunteered for the war once Hitler turned on Stalin.
There is no point in providing you with citations. You dismiss each as false. HRW, Amnesty …all CIA fronts
I happen to know a person who has editorial access to Wikipedia and regularly makes contributions to it. Do you have first-hand information of how Wikipedia runs? Do you know it has a self-correcting process that is designed to stop biased manipulation?
I will try one last time and refer you to Wikileaks of a UK diplomatic memo, (not Wikipedia)
“2. FACT. THE ARMY THAT HAS COMMITTED THE ATROCITIES IN BEIJING IS 27 ARMY WHO ARE TROOPS FROM SHANXI PROVINCE (?), ARE 60 PERCENT ILLITERATE AND ARE CALLED PRIMITIVES. THE COMMANDER OF 27 ARMY WAS YANG ZHENHUA, SON OF YANG BAIDING BROTHER OF YANG SHANGKUN. THEY WERE KEPT WITHOUT NEWS FOR TEN DAYS AND TOLD THEY WERE TO TAKE PART IN AN EXERCISE.”
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UK_cable_on_Tiananmen_Square_Massacre
Mainstream media here
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/03/china-deny-tiananmen-square
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tiananmen-square-25th-anniversary-xu-qinxian-man-who-stood-china-1450937
I don’t like being called a liar. I may make mistakes but I do not deliberately distort facts. The new security law was rushed through without local consultation and all 66 articles published only after it became law.
“After much publicity but virtually no local consultation, on 30 June 2020 late evening the Central People’s Government passed a new national security law (“NSL”) for Hong Kong on the eve of the 23rd Anniversary of Hong Kong’s handover from UK to Chinese sovereignty. Controversy surrounds the sudden implementation of the NSL by means of promulgation into the Hong Kong Basic Law under Article 18, a legal mechanism previously known by very few.”
http://hk-lawyer.org/content/overview-hong-kong%E2%80%99s-national-security-law
” First announced in May, the unprecedented criminal legislation was drafted in Beijing, rapidly tabled behind closed doors, and bypassed any local legislative oversight.”
You may feel safe but I, on the other hand, if I ever visited Hong Kong risk arrest under Article 38 states, which states “This Law shall apply to offences under this Law committed against the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region from outside the Region by a person who is not a permanent resident of the Region.”
It is asserting extraterritorial jurisdiction over any critic of the Chinese government anywhere and of any nationality.
But my question is how representative was the voting for anti-government candidates?
Were these 2019 local district elections rigged?
Are the changes to Hong Kong’s electoral law, fair to the opposition?
Are the new rules gerrymandered in favour of pro-government candidates?
I answered you on the interference from foreign powers. It happened as it always does. The protests involving millions were not engineered by them. Some protesters have carried flags of the US, UK, Republic of China and even the Hong Kong colonial flag in a bid to win international sympathy. But would CIA plants be so obvious?
As I have referred already, Lenin was accused of being a German agent.
The US rightwing accuse BLM and Antifa of being foreign-financed.
A new global survey illustrates the depth of anxiety many young people are feeling about climate change.
Nearly 60% of young people approached said they felt very worried or extremely worried.
More than 45% of those questioned said feelings about the climate affected their daily lives.
Three-quarters of them said they thought the future was frightening. Over half (56%) say they think humanity is doomed.
Two-thirds reported feeling sad, afraid and anxious. Many felt fear, anger, despair, grief and shame
Just to clarify, I believe Wez was saying that the First World War was facilitated by most of the “socialist” parties reneging on earlier promises not to support a war. And refusing to organise against it.
This is non-controversial but a simple statement of fact. It resulted in the collapse of the 2nd International as an organisation.
I think you misunderstood Wez on this point.
If you suggest that the lack of opposition from the members of the 2nd International did not contribute to enabling WW1 to happen, you are disagreeing with Lenin.
Of course, there were many other contributory reasons why war broke out, some more important than others. But from a working-class viewpoint, the acquiescence of the majority of “socialist” parties to patriotism and nationalism was a crucial one.
Of course, your claim that it was only the USSR that was not seeking war, goes against all those historians who view the British and French appeasement policies as evidence of a reluctance to go to war.
