WSPUS and Transgender
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I was under the impression we were talking about surgery (mutilation), not simply transvestism.
I was under the impression we were talking about surgery (mutilation), not simply transvestism.
As far as I understand it, a lot (most probably the majority, I don’t know the figures) of trans-men / women will not have had genital surgery, nor want it. It’s a long drawn out and risky process.
Earlier on, we were talking about gender. The “gender identity” crew are saying there are 5 or 6 genders. In Edinburgh I believe a student was sent home for saying there are only two genders.
Children as young as 4 are being exposed to the LGBTQ narrative, and children are given sex-change drugs.
I thought this was the subject at hand.#214745
Earlier on, we were talking about gender. The “gender identity” crew are saying there are 5 or 6 genders.
I know some people say something like this. But this is not what the radical feminist / transgender debate is about.
In Edinburgh I believe a student was sent home for saying there are only two genders.
It seems there’s more to the story than that.
Children as young as 4 are being exposed to the LGBTQ narrative, and children are given sex-change drugs.
What do you mean by the “LGBTQ” narrative? You think children shouldn’t be told that same-sex relationships exist? Like in the days of section 28?
Children have been given puberty-blocking drugs, not sex-change drugs. But the practice has been called into question in the UK and I think more or less discontinued.
And what of a child in love with another child of the same sex being pigeon-holed as “gay” by teachers, who will however be heterosexual in a few years’ time?
All this to me is about pinning more labels on each other. We’re obsessed with categories and compartments, and it seems to me the once persecuted have become controlling in their turn.
This is “cancel culture” gone potty. Kicking a teenager out of school for arguing that there are only two genders is ridiculous. The modern official definition of gender may include more varieties but this is only a very recent development. Go back 20, 30 or 40 years and the view of the teenager would be the conventional view. Its like us arguing for the classical Marxian definition of socialism. Are we wrong to persist with this definition when a majority of people think socialism has something to do with the state owning or controlling the economy
Its interesting that the teacher should have said the teenager was entitled to hold his views but he was still removed from the class (and eventually the school after the video went viral), I’ve had similar treatment at the hands of the Idpol Stalinists that run the Ultras v Tankies Facebook Group from which our comrade, Jordan, was expelled. When I challenged these bigots to produce any evidence that Jordan was “transphobic” I too was expelled – despite making clear that I had no problem whatsoever with trans folk and indeed strongly oppose the kind of victimisation many of these individuals experience
The problem with some (not all) of those individuals on that FB group is that they don’t understand what the argument is about over gender. nor do they have much of a clue of what “transphobia” is. They should look up the word “phobia” in a dictionary
“Cancel culture” has provided the Right with a great opportunity to make a laughing stock of the Left. Not that we identify as Left, of course, since we oppose both wings of the capitalist spectrum. But in this case the Left has only itself to blame for the lease of life its own stupidities have given to the Right
It is understood that he was suspended for recording his teacher, rather than the initial conversation.
From the article above..
my bad for the late replies, i read these right before calls started picking up at work and had errands to run after before i knocked out. i knew these would take me a while to type, so i decided to just deal with them after i woke up.
DJP, i think *you’re* missing the point somehow.
if you want to communicate with a word, it needs to have a definition which isn’t curcular, and it has to be falsifiable.
we’ve already had a falsifiable definition of what a woman is for millenia. it merely refers to biology.
while i believe feminists were the first to refer to gender as the societal expectations superimposed on each of the only 2 human sex classes, they never referred to gender itself as constituting true womanhood or manhood, but a cage which should be abolished.
the term “gender identity” was coined (again, without ever giving a falsifiable definition, just an “inner sense of self”) by John Money, a documented pedophile who defended pedophilia. i hope all of us here can agree that that’s *clear* evidence that he was mentally unwell. but aside from that, his first parient and that patient’s twin later committed suicide.
queer theorists try to ignore this and act as though belief in “gender identity” as one’s true self is some sophisticated idea, the next frontier of liberation even.
this idea of there being some “inner you” is completely incompatible with marxism at the moment. if this were to be true, we’d find some material evidence of it eventually — in which case it would then be compatible with materialism — but that still wouldn’t change the sex of people’s bodies and the very real differences between them.
this idea of “gender identity” only makes sense if you equate womanhood with femininity and manhood with masculinity, whether you think that masculinity or femininity is evidence of a “gendered” brain or soul. here’s one guy some of my mutuals dogpiled earlier today:
Some biologically born men can carry/adopt/exude female/feminine energy; some biologically born women can carry/adopt/exude male/masculine energy; the 'spirit' of male & female is gender & gender is fluid like spirit; biology is fixed but can be unfixed by the medical profession.
— wrathliberator (@wrathliberator) March 4, 2021
i have the utmost respect for anarchopac, but we need to dissect this statement.
no one is “assigned” male at birth. medicine doesn’t deal with gender in the sense queer theorists mean it, medicine only deals with sex. as i’ve said before, sex is unequivocally observed ar birth in 99.982% of cases. even the other 0.018% with ambiguous genitalia aren’t “assigned” a sex, since they already had one, it just gets incorrectly guessed sometimes.
“i identify as a woman”
he doesn’t define what a woman is. why were rachel dolezal and jessica krug villified for “identifying” as black, but it’s perfectly fine for a man to “identify” as a woman, especially without ever defining what they mean by that?
“inteenal sense of self”
lmaooo! do you guts get it yet? there’s no “internal sense” of womanhood or blackness, they’re biological realities. i din’t “feel” black or like a man, i’m just a black man.
the joke analogy is a clear example of why the idea of gender identity is faith-based and useless. no one can explain an emotion, but womanhood isn’t an emotion just like being black, disabled, or a certain age aren’t.(there are people claiming to be transracial, transabled, and transage as i believe i’ve already mentioned, but queer theorists can’t seem to explain why these aren’t rational if transgenderism is to them)
gender non-conforming did exist prior to capitalism, but they were never treated as the literal opposite sex, they’ve always been classified as a 3rd category. that’s not what most transgender people want tho, they want to be treated as literally being the opposite sex in every sense.
as i said before, they try to redefine almost everything sex-related to fit their narrative. to them, sexual orientation isn’t based on sex (even though it’s *literally* in the name), it’s based on *gender*. so heterosexual men who won’t fuck this “trans woman” are considered bigots:
Trans women early into their transition are still valid pic.twitter.com/DVN0thZAz4
— Communist Paris Hilton (@Vee_like_Viv) December 18, 2020
even though they’re clearly a man by common parlance, and can only be considered a woman by queer theory definitions, which — again — aren’t even falsifiable, let alone commonly accepted yet, thank god.
but it’s being written into law that this person above is a woman just cuz they say so and can’t be discriminated against, meaning they can enter women’s bathrooms, compete in wimen’s sports, and run for women’s political positions. it’s fuckin nonsense.
funny thing, the hashtag #SuperStraight was trending on twitter today. it’s supposed to be a new sexual orientation for straight people to call themselves to make it clear they’re attracted to sex, not gender, and thus aren’t transphobic. transgender people are pissed and are getting called superphobes lmaooo it’s fuckin hilarious 😂
Thomas, there’s no such thing as a human hermaphrodite. this term’s been used in the past to refer to people with intersex conditions, but it’s a misnomer.
hermaphroditism is the presence of 2 fully developed reproductive systems in a single organism. human’s reproductive systems develop from mullerian and wolffian ducts, but those are mutually antagonistic, meaning the development of one causes the suppression of the other. a human being can’t fully develop both systems, because our species is gonochoric: organisms of our species can only develop one sex.
also thomas, it’s better to say there are only 2 sexes to be clear. some queer theorists argue there are an infinite number of genders, but i’ve seen lists with upwards of 100. this one doesn’t list yhat many, but it gives you an idea how ridiculous this can get.
https://nonbinary.miraheze.org/wiki/List_of_uncommon_nonbinary_identities
gender is a loaded word at this point, so it’s best to be clear about what we mean.
but i’ll check that story out ASAP, thx
DJP again, there have been no societies on record in which those who were gender non-conforming to their own sex were treated as literal members of the opposite sex, they were always treated as a third group. GNC men in india aren’t called women, they’re called hijras.
also, yes, most transgender people never have cosmetic surgery and most aren’t intersex either. i think many people get confused and think this is akin to being intersex, but it’s not.
DJP again, i don’t mind children being taught about homosexuality, that’s very important. what i do mind is Mermaids telling kids about this sexist gender spectrum below and making them believe they may be transgender for being gender non-conforming
For those of you just joining us, the Barbie to GI Joe Spectrum is a concept taught to elementary school children by Mermaids UK, an org that helps foster gender dysphoria in children.
Children are asked to reflect on “where on the sex stereotype spectrum might YOU be?” pic.twitter.com/fzhaZZmPRI
— ♥️ (@LabelFreeBrands) March 3, 2021
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