WSPUS and Transgender

March 2024 Forums World Socialist Movement WSPUS and Transgender

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  • #214720
    Anonymous
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    #214741
    Jordan Levi
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    yeah, thomas, it gets ugly. lupron, for example, thins bones. it’s also being used off brand. it hasn’t been approved to be used as a puberty blocker, just for stage 4 cancer treatment. also, most kids who ID as trans end up turning out to just be gay before they finish puberty.

    #214744
    Anonymous
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    Children go through a latency period where they fall in love with members of their own sex, especially if attending single-sex schools.

    #214745
    DJP
    Participant

    There was a recent court case in the UK where a woman successfully sued for damages after being given puberty blockers.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/children-who-want-puberty-blockers-must-understand-effects-high-court-rules

    Also in the UK, schools are no longer allowed to push the “born in the wrong body” narrative

    https://www.thearticle.com/the-sexist-reality-behind-the-transgender-narrative
    https://thecritic.co.uk/the-sexist-pseudoscience-of-gender-identity/

    #214746
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for these links. Very useful.

    #214814
    DJP
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    “Loose thinking leads to the loose use of words, but the loose use of words also leads to loose thinking.”

    Time to allow Labourites and Leninists to say they are socialists then? Why not?

    Out of interest where does this quote come from? To be honest, I don’t think who said had much of a grip on how language works.

    #214817
    Anonymous
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    It is George Orwell, and makes a lot of sense to me.

    #214819
    DJP
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    Depends what you’re talking about I guess. Some concepts are unavoidably fuzzy, especially those used in politics.

    I prefer Nietzsche, “it is only that which has no history which can be defined”

    #214883
    DJP
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    “My name is Zoe and I am a trans-woman. By this I mean that I was assigned male at birth but identify as a woman. This raises the question of how I know that I’m a trans woman? People who ask this often expect to be provided with some systematic list of reasons as if I were explaining how I know that it is raining. One’s internal sense of self is not, however, the same as the weather. We can both look out the window and easily observe the weather together. You cannot, however, jump inside my head and experience life as I do. Instead you have to rely on my highly in-adequate attempts at conveying the richness and complexity of my first person experience to you. I might tell a person that I find a joke funny but this is not the same as successfully conveying to them how it felt to find the joke funny. Likewise, I can tell a person that I feel like a woman but this will not successfully convey to them my inner experience of this feeling.”

    I’m a Trans Woman

    I’m thinking Jordan’s attempt to find a “falsifiable” definitions misses the point somehow..

    #214884
    DJP
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    One can’t resolve one’s misery under capitalism by blaming or picking at gender

    I don’t think anyone claims to be “choosing” their gender. Things that we would recognise as transgenderism pre-date capitalism, therefore there’s no reason to think that it would not exist post-capitalism either.

    #214885
    Anonymous
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    While true that there are those born hermaphrodite (the original meaning of bisexual) and those with hormone imbalances, this is not the issue here.

    #214887
    Anonymous
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    In socialism one would obviously be free to do anything that does not injure others.

    This does not alter the fact that there are two genders. Hermaphrodites have aspects of both and are not a separate gender (in case you pick me up on my having mentioned them). Nor are they “transgender.”

    #214891
    Anonymous
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    Jordan, check out a very funny short story by the marquis de Sade: Augustine de Villeblanche.

    #214896
    DJP
    Participant

    While true that there are those born hermaphrodite (the original meaning of bisexual) and those with hormone imbalances, this is not the issue here.

    That’s not what I’m talking about, and not relevant. In lots of historical societies, there have been people born male or female who have lived their lives as a member of the opposite sex. Whatever that means changes depending on the context of what society it is happening in. It’s nothing new.

    #214898
    Anonymous
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    Doesn’t alter the fact there are only two genders.

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