The coming world war.

July 2024 Forums General discussion The coming world war.

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  • #252376
    ALB
    Keymaster

    You’re right. Completely irrational from the point of the interest of humanity as a whole. But Starmer is a would-be capitalist statesman and, as such, applies a different logic — that of the interest of the capitalist state he aspires to run.

    Mind you, a case could be made out (as by Labour leftwingers) that it is a waste of capitalist money for the UK capitalist state to have an arsenal of H-bombs since it is never going to use them on its own and probably couldn’t without US permission. On the other hand, without them the UK capitalist state risks being relegated from the second to the third division.

    In any event, everyone can now see what the Labour Party stands for, not that it will prevent some lefties calling for workers to vote for this gang of unprincipled pro-capitalist place-hunters.

    #252377
    Lizzie45
    Blocked

    NATO Starmer.

    https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-says-hes-prepared-to-use-nuclear-weapons-to-defend-uk-13147192

    He’s got to say that, hasn’t he?. After all, where’s the logic in states having nuclear weapons and their politicians saying they’re not prepared to use them?

    #252381
    chelmsford
    Participant

    If I were the American president I would declare war on Britain. When the British asked for permission to fire their atomic doodle-bugs in retaliation – I wouldn’t give it.

    #252382
    Thomas_More
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    #252402
    Thomas_More
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    #252406
    ALB
    Keymaster

    You dont stop do you, presumably because you can’t. All states prepare for war in the sense of being prepared in the event of a possible attack from another state. In fact all “defence” spending can be described as “preparation for war”.

    The fact that the US is preparing in the event of a Chinese attack on Taiwan does not mean that a US/China war is “on the cards”, ie very likely. It could even make it less likely in accordance with the military doctrine “if you want peace, prepare for war”.

    That all states have to waste resources on such military preparations is condemnation enough of capitalism without needing to say that it will lead to a third world war.

    #252414
    Bijou Drains
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    So Putin states on behalf of the Russian capitalist class –

    “Asked whether Russia could resort to using nuclear arms, Mr Putin said the conditions for using that arsenal are clearly spelled out in Moscow’s security doctrine.

    “For some reason, they believe in the West that Russia will never use it,” he said.

    “Look at what is written there,” he said of Russia’s nuclear doctrine.

    “If somebody’s actions threaten our sovereignty and territorial integrity, we consider it possible to use all means at our disposal.”

    And this is viewed as a bad and dangerous thing (which it certainly is)

    yet when Starmer says more or less exactly the same thing on behalf of the Western capitalist class, this is seen as a good and reassuring thing. (which it certainly isn’t)

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    paula.mcewan
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