Russian Tensions

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  • #255256
    Citizenoftheworld
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    How will Moscow and Washington re-establish relations when the Ukraine war ends? How will both arrange any re-establishment in propaganda terms for the brainwashed workers on both sides?

    It was quickly done after WW2, but in that case the figureheads of the defeated side were all dead.

    Similarly, how will Pacific tensions be resolved without war?

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    Let’s see if Donald Trump is going to make miracles in 24 hours.

    He has said that he is a good friend of Vladimir Putin, but we know that capitalists do not have friends, the only have temporary allied.

    During WW2 the US Postal offices had picture of Stalin and Roosevelt saying that he was their friend and then they became enemies

    #255262
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    Germany, Poland, Scandinavia and the Baltics seem intent on war and may want to prosecute it without Trump’s US.

    #255673
    Thomas_More
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    #255685
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    That war is already lost, the Russians are holding a large area in Ukraine and that area contains the best minerals and resources that they need for the modern industry. The USA has never won a war without a secretary

    #255728
    ALB
    Keymaster

    I don’t think this is what the war there is primarily about but here is a list of the key mineral resources in Ukraine from an official Russian state news site:

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20241216/what-are-ukraines-top-10-minerals-1121192641.html

    #255734
    Citizenoftheworld
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    There are still some groups denying that the Iraq war was not for oil and gas, the Afghanistan war was not a war for opioids and to sell drugs as some conspiracionists are propagating

    The actual conflict in the Middle East is also a war for oil, gas, commercial routes and military access, and anti imperialism is not anti capitalism

    It is not a war for freedom and democracy,

    The Russians are not fighting against Fascism, that is the old soviet scares, and the concept of pos fascism is being used by some groups in order to obtain the votes of the workers, and then they make alliances with the right wingers when their coalition is collapsing.

    The WW1 was for metals, and all following wars have been for resources, spheres of influences, market, and territories including the Vietnam war and the Korean War

    #255874
    ALB
    Keymaster

    The Western media — ie the mainstream media in the USA and those states under its nuclear umbrella — paint Putin as a mad dictator. In actual fact, he has a shrewd understanding of the interest of the Russian capitalist state.

    In a recent interview he made it clear that he understands that the rule governing relations between states is “might is right” and that when Russia was weak under his predecessors (presumably a reference to Gorbachev and Yeltsin) the West took advantage of this to fill the vacuum left by the collapse of the USSR.

    Previous generation of politicians ruined Russia as desired by West, says Putin
    The previous generation of Russian politicians chose the course towards the country’s destruction for the sake of joining the so-called civilized world but this was what the West wanted, President Vladimir Putin said in an interview with VGTRK journalist Pavel Zarubin on Sunday.
    “In the newest history, we have passed the period when our previous generation of politicians, in my view, set course even towards the destruction of their own country in the hope that Russia would become a part of the so-called civilized world. And this was what the civilized world wanted,” the Russian leader said.
    As Putin pointed out, “as soon as Russia’s potential dwindled and it became weaker, they [the West] began to ruin it instead of making it an equitable partner and a participant in this civilized world.”
    “Unfortunately, this is how the world is arranged, at least today. And if we will build relations with someone, we will build them only on the basis of the interests of the Russian state,” Putin said, speaking about the prospect for Russia to normalize relations with the West.”
    https://tass.com/politics/1891555

    Of course those in charge of the capitalist states of the West know too that “might is right” — ‘how the world is arranged”, as Putin put it — and naturally took advantage of Russia’s weakness after the collapse of the USSR in the early 1990s. Their declared aim in the Ukraine war is to try to further weaken Russia.

    The war in Ukraine is a trial of strength between the Western capitalist bloc and the Russia capitalist state. Naturally, socialists don’t take sides in such a war and are wary of the propaganda of the rulers of the state they live under.

    #255899
    Thomas_More
    Participant

    When the hysteria of a month ago has died off a bit, why are tabloids like the Express bringing back the Putin bugbear?

    Do they have an especial link to the military?

    #255900
    ALB
    Keymaster

    No, they just want to sell more copies of their rag and the cynical hacks who edit them know that stories told in this sort of way sell. That’s what “sensationalism” means.

    #255901

    “The war in Ukraine is a trial of strength between the Western capitalist bloc and the Russia capitalist state. Naturally, socialists don’t take sides in such a war and are wary of the propaganda of the rulers of the state they live under.”
    How can anyone argue with that? But that doesn’t take anything away from the fact that the Russian regime is especially and horribly repressive. If anyone doubts that, they need only listen to the recent Radio 4 Book of the Week serialisation of Navalny’s memoir. Okay, Navalny wasn’t a paragon, but the way he was crushed underfoot by Putin and the Russian state is something to behold.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m0025vh3

    #255942
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    The Socialist Party said this about him:

    Navalny state murder

    In Colombia and Mexico journalists are frequently killed when they raise critiques against the state and its ministers, and they use professional killers known as ‘Sicarios”. More than 165 journalists have been killed in Colombia and 163 in Mexico, some have been killed in fronts of others peoples, and some in others places have been killed at the Raido/TV station while they were broadcasting . Social activists have been killed . too. The biggest terrorist around the whole world is capitalism and the capitalist state

    #255950

    Yes, I know this, but I still suggest you listen to the radio programme on Navalny.

    #255951
    ALB
    Keymaster

    “They grab people and send them to war. It’s slavery,” another migrant said, adding that he does not want to defend a country “in which the government and oligarchs own everything, and the people own nothing.”

    This statement from a Ukrainian migrant in Germany is quoted by a Russian state propaganda outlet but they themselves are quoting from a German news channel. So it can be regarded as genuine.

    Of course there could well be Russian migrants in Germany who would say the same about Russia.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20241226/ukrainians-do-not-want-to-defend-incumbent-govt-calling-country-prison—reports-1121270932.html

    #255953
    Citizenoftheworld
    Participant

    Yes, I know this, but I still suggest you listen to the radio programme on Navalny.

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    I have read, listened and heard about him and others leaders, but I do not guide myself based on leadership, pro capitalist politicians, patriotic, liberators, benefactors, or presidential candidates, and most of the so called Putin opposition Russian leaders do not have too much differences with the present leadership

    #255955

    Well, that’s telling me.

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