February 19, 2022 at 6:07 pm #226710AnonymousInactive
As always the left is taking side with one bandit of the conflict, now their hero is Putin, they left Stalin in order to worship PutinFebruary 19, 2022 at 7:21 pm #226711
Of course there is not going to be a full-scale invasion and there never was. The most that might happen would be an incursion into the breakaway areas but I doubt if Russia would do even that without an ultimatum giving Ukraine a time limit to implement the Minsk Protocol. That would put the US bloc on the spot. Ukraine not honouring an international agreement.
Biden is saying that there will be an invasion next week but this is just to show that the US bloc has already taken this possibility into account. It’s a bargaining ploy. He will only be saying what his Secretary of State and “intelligence” services advise him to. I suppose he could even believe it. I don’t suppose they mind if he makes a fool of himself when no invasion takes place next week any more than it did last Wednesday.
Public opinion doesn’t enter into it. They are manipulating this and in any case don’t care of any side-effects on the mental health of vulnerable people, as you have pointed out.
Here’s an extract from what Ukraine President Zeletsky said at Munich:
“He also said he did not know what Vladimir Putin wanted, which is why he proposed a meeting, saying he was willing to discuss the Minsk agreements with him.”
And here’s what the Chinese foreign minister said:
“At the same time, Wang said “all countries’ sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity should be respected and safeguarded”, and that “Ukraine is no exception to the principle”. He also urged a return to the Minsk II agreement “as quickly as possible”.”
The thing is to keep your nerve as we watch a real life display of capitalist diplomacy based on might is right or at least on as perceived might.
February 19, 2022 at 9:22 pm #226714PartisanZParticipant
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It’s fascinatingly stuff apart from the UK idiots.February 19, 2022 at 10:18 pm #226715
Type “WW3 Russell Brand” into a search engine to listen to his rant against the mainstream media’s reporting on the Ukraine affair and why. He makes some telling points.February 19, 2022 at 10:21 pm #226716AnonymousInactive
Both sides are playing their own games. No invasion is going to take place. The only thing that Russia is going to do is to support the Ukrainian militiasFebruary 20, 2022 at 12:50 am #226718
While agreeing that in all probability that full-scale war is not likely, I do not possess the same degree of confidence that it is not a real possibility.
If capitalist politics were as rational and as planned as being assumed, there would never have been any wars in the past.
Having read the American opinion polls that MS linked to, one pleasing aspect is that the hysterical scare-mongering of some politicians is not entirely shared by working people.February 20, 2022 at 2:25 am #226719AnonymousInactive
Not worth fighting for young Ukrainians and RussiansFebruary 20, 2022 at 8:50 am #226720
The view of Scott Ritter
“the bottom line is that unless Russia is given the security guarantees it is demanding, war might be inevitable.
Biden and Blinken will once again cry “wolf.” But it won’t matter; the die will have already been cast, and everyone involved will have to deal with the consequences of human folly.”February 20, 2022 at 10:24 am #226722
The view of Boris Johnson:
“Ukraine: Russia plans biggest war in Europe since 1945 – Boris Johnson”
His usual bombastic quasi-Churchill rhetoric. All the others in Munich will be laughing at him. Anyway he might not be there next week.
Forgot to add that it’s Sunday and there was no invasion yesterday as predicted. The likes of Boris and Biden have 7 more tries.
February 20, 2022 at 12:49 pm #226724
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But the govt might regiment us civilians, force us to leave home and take part in nuclear war drills.
What should socialists do in such a situation? Go along with it, or refuse?
February 20, 2022 at 1:11 pm #226726
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Biden calls NSC. Not a good sign!February 20, 2022 at 5:33 pm #226729
Byelorus war games extended BECAUSE OF TENSION IN UKRAINE, Russia says, which suggests they are not just normal drills.February 20, 2022 at 5:40 pm #226730February 21, 2022 at 3:14 am #226737
At the 11th hour, Biden and Putin agree to face-to-face talks
And as I previously said, the history of Munich remembered
February 21, 2022 at 6:15 am #226739
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