March 15, 2018 at 1:06 pm #85926ZJWParticipantSome forum-participants will be interested in taking a look at this — https://therealmovement.wordpress.com/2018/03/11/communization-of-the-whole-world-in-five-years-or-less-a-practical-guide/ (followed no doubt by remonstrations with its author! ) What is it? It's a recipe according to which 'we can sever the connection between labor and consumption for everyone on the planet' within 5 years. He says 'It is just an entry level sort of communism. But it satisfies our definition of communism as a society founded on the principle of “from each according to ability, to each according to need.” ' This can be done in 'five simple steps', he claims. (Neither insurrection nor going to the ballot box is involved.)March 15, 2018 at 1:24 pm #132279DJPParticipant
Get back to us in six years time.March 15, 2018 at 3:09 pm #132280AnonymousInactiveQuote:You must directly confront the working class itself and force it to recognize that its slavery is not a natural state of society. The disruption of the system of wage slavery means the direct disruption of the wage slaves who engage in what they think is a natural and ordinary activity. You have to convince them that wage slavery is not natural; that it is horrific; above all, that it is unnecessary.
Yeah, right. Precisely what the World Socialist Movement has been trying to do since 1904.March 16, 2018 at 10:21 am #132281Rusty PigfumblerParticipant
Quite early this morning I attempted to use force to persuade Mr Carlton from next door not to go into work. He is a scaffolder. Who knew the NHS provided internet access in their A&E departments?March 16, 2018 at 1:19 pm #132282AnonymousInactive
My comment below* is awaiting moderation on that blog,so we'll see what happens.=====================*This essay is naive if not downright dangerous to the movement for socialism/communism. I use the terms interchangably as Marx did, to describe the new society.The consequences of such direct action by maveric self-styled revolutionaries, would be to pit worker against worker and the state machinery of repression would show in its enthusiastic endorsment of 'head breaking' and ideological appropriation of previously forgotten fake rights namely the 'Right to work'.The existence of a state implies the existence of a ruling class in whose collective interests the state serves.The state has to be captured in order for its machinery of repression to be rendered beyond the use of the parasite capitalist class.Socialism is an advanced, post-capitalist, classless, production for use, commonly owned , free access, society run by the people themselves, locally, regionally and globally, in an administration over resources and not over people.Because everything will be owned in common, by all and controled democratically by all, with production for use of all and not for sale on a market, in the interests of a parasitic ruling class, a state or government is obsolete.Bringing tne new society into being is the task of the immense majority, which is aware as in politically conscious, of its class interests in ending wage slavery and actively inpursuit of those ends in common with workers worldwide.This PDF explores in a bit more depth what socialism might look like:From Capitalism to Socialism. . . how we live and how we could livehttp://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/printpdf/3733March 16, 2018 at 3:52 pm #132283Rusty PigfumblerParticipant
Too right it's bloody dangerous.April 9, 2018 at 8:39 am #132284ALBKeymasterQuote:How to abolish wage labor within 5 years in five simple steps:STEP ONE: In the first year, add one three day weekend. Each week activists would target one working day to disrupt all wage labor. The work week will now be reduced to four days and all wage labor beyond this point will be targeted.STEP TWO: In the second year, add one four day weekend. Each week activists would target two working days to disrupt all wage labor. The work week will now be reduced to three days and all wage labor beyond this point will be targeted.STEP THREE: In the third year, add one 5 day weekend. Each week activists would target three working days to disrupt all wage labor. The work week will now be reduced to two days and all wage labor beyond this point will be targeted.STEP FOUR: In the 4th year, add one six day weekend. Each week activists would target four working days to disrupt all wage labor. The work week will now be reduced to two days and all wage labor beyond this point will be targeted.STEP FIVE: In the 5th year, add one full week off. Each week activists would target all five working days to disrupt all wage labor. The work week will now be reduced to zero days and all wage labor will be targeted.
If you can persuade workers to do that, you could persuade them also to go through the front door and vote the political representatives of capitalism, who currently uphold capitalist rule and private property, out of office too. Then they withdraw the state's support for the existence of private and corporate property rights, lop off its coercive and undemocratic parts, and use what's left to coordinate the change-over to the communist society described (what we also call socialism). In any event, not all of the admittedly large increase in state spending over the past 100 years is just on the coercive aspects of the state (armed forces, police, courts, prisons, etc). Much of it is on things that are at least in principle socially useful such as education and health; local councils also run lots of useful services; and there's also resources (very far from adequate of course) to maintain those who don't work for one reason of the other. To deprive the existing state of the resources to keep all this going would be suicidal and, anyway, would never get majority support. Back to the drawing board, I'm afraid.
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